996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

big thanks to epl...getting my car back soon...725 hp

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 10:58 AM
  #16  
AlexN's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 538
From: Miami
Rep Power: 48
AlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud ofAlexN has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by Tony@epl
21-25% on the 996tt. 997tt seems to be a little less. In general, the newer the cars the more efficient the drivetrain is. Some of the newer Subaru are less then 20%.
just out of curiousity - what would be the drivetrain loss on a RWD 996 GT2?

great results and well done!
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 12:47 PM
  #17  
RFFG's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 4,587
From: Miami, FL
Rep Power: 271
RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !RFFG Is a GOD !
Nice, looking forward to the finished product.
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:27 PM
  #18  
vrybad's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 556
From: CT
Rep Power: 58
vrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant future
Originally Posted by Tony@epl
We usually do coast down testing on the first 5-10 cars we tune to get a good delta. Keep in mind that we've dyno'd 996tt's with less then 5000 miles on them... Taking these results and working backward with stock flywheel hp is a fairly good indication of drive traintrain losses as long as the factory was accurate with their ratings.
Tony,
That is my point on the whole debate.
Take a stock car, see what it loses from stock fw rating to whp, and then add that figure back to the modded whp results.

I do believe that using a flat % is flawed as mods are added, because it will inflate the total loss and therefore give inflated fw estimates.

I'm curious, what does a stock 996tt make at the wheels on your dyno?

Thanks.
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:35 PM
  #19  
vrybad's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 556
From: CT
Rep Power: 58
vrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant futurevrybad has a brilliant future
Originally Posted by Tony@epl
308-335ish. Usually falls dead in the middle. Its SOOO important to know this when comparing numbers. This seems about the norm on the mustang.... I have seen as high as 410-415 on stock cars on other mustang dynos.

WOW!
That much of a disparity?
To what might you attribute the difference?
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 02:43 PM
  #20  
Blockhed's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,534
From: New Jersey
Rep Power: 118
Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !Blockhed Is a GOD !
where is the chart
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 05:38 PM
  #21  
ttboost's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 6,453
From: CT
Rep Power: 439
ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !ttboost Is a GOD !
I believe my car made 338awhp, totally stock, on EPL's dyno. To the OP, nice results for pump!!!
 
Old Mar 31, 2011 | 06:51 PM
  #22  
RickyN F355's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 231
Rep Power: 33
RickyN F355 is infamous around these partsRickyN F355 is infamous around these parts
tony ill be ok running at 1.3B all the time? shld we do a boost controller?
 
Old Apr 1, 2011 | 07:56 PM
  #23  
Al Pettee's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 349
From: Rochester, New York, USA
Rep Power: 37
Al Pettee is a jewel in the roughAl Pettee is a jewel in the roughAl Pettee is a jewel in the roughAl Pettee is a jewel in the rough
Originally Posted by RickyN F355
at the crank according to the dyno...cant wait to enjoy it....
Cool, I'm likely going with Tial Alpha 3076's on my 2005 996 TSCab Protomotive 4.2L conversion this summer-shooting for well north of 800HP to the crank on pump.
 
Old Apr 3, 2011 | 04:03 AM
  #24  
Fastfrank's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 171
From: on the edge
Rep Power: 23
Fastfrank is infamous around these parts
Nice results! Congrats!

Tony just did my car....Thanks again Tony!!!

@ AMS w/ similar mods & 3071's- my car made 578 FT/LB's wonder how that compares to Tony's dyno

Hopefully some 60-130's & trap speeds are coming soon? Excited to see the results!!!
 

Last edited by Fastfrank; Apr 3, 2011 at 04:44 AM.
Old May 15, 2011 | 04:20 PM
  #25  
RickyN F355's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 231
Rep Power: 33
RickyN F355 is infamous around these partsRickyN F355 is infamous around these parts
have put about 800 miles on the car...the thing is out of control....just a complete animal all over the place....virtually no loss in driveability...the clutch is on the heavier side but thats about it....the thing is scary fast....thnx again tony!
 
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	ricky_gains.png
Views:	213
Size:	235.1 KB
ID:	150334  
Old May 15, 2011 | 04:52 PM
  #26  
pat's Avatar
pat
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 875
From: indiana
Rep Power: 80
pat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond reputepat has a reputation beyond repute
Very nice
 
Old May 15, 2011 | 05:44 PM
  #27  
buzzm's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,807
From: Boston
Rep Power: 144
buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !buzzm Is a GOD !
very nice

nice job Tony
 
Old May 15, 2011 | 09:06 PM
  #28  
Turbo Fanatic's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,880
From: In a Canyon - Really :)
Rep Power: 290
Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !Turbo Fanatic Is a GOD !
Absolutely awesome. Congrats EPL and Ricky!
 
Old May 15, 2011 | 09:08 PM
  #29  
johnspeed's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,636
From: chicago
Rep Power: 256
johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by Tony@epl
Spot on... good math skillzz . 589 I believe was the high pull with 600+ ftlbs.

I know there has been discussion lately what the limit of the stock fuel pump is.... This is 100% the limit of a good working stock fuel pump.

Specs
Alpha 3076's with billet wheels (1.3 bar)
93 oct pump fuel... NO METH
USP Inlets (very nice piece!)
Europipe exhaust
72lb injectors
Custom EPL Tune
AWE IC's and silicone hoses

Ill post some dyno plots shortly.
Hey did he need an extra fuel pump with that set-up???
 

Last edited by johnspeed; May 15, 2011 at 09:24 PM.
Old May 15, 2011 | 09:23 PM
  #30  
johnspeed's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,636
From: chicago
Rep Power: 256
johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !
What were the air temps when you were dynoing??When Tony was connected to my car at Kelly Moss on their dyno,,Tony said I ran out of fuel and needed another fuel pump..Dyno room air temps were in low 50s then...As. I started a thread after that......I thought those 3076/billet Turbos flow alot more air then my K24/18gs??? Plus you made more HP+ TQ on the stock pump only...So, I am trying to get a handle on this because I am going back to Kelly Moss to have that done tomorrow.... ......Thanks
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:56 PM.