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Old May 3, 2011 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim941NYC
If you use a 5bar FPR your 543cc @3 bar flows 700cc. I do not feel that is the right way but you see the ease (low cost max profit) in making power.
Agreed but most folks with upgraded vtgs and 700 kits don't upgrade fpr. If you ran 5 fpr, not sure stock pump could keep up. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my impression.
 

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Fail safe? Is anyone running an inline pump running a fuel pressure fail-safe alarm?

I am looking for a nice LED + audible alarm for the cabin that could also trigger a relay to shutdown my ebc power if fuel pressure reaches a certain level. If the EBC is off, i will ride my .8 bar wastegates, for a bit more safety with no intervention.

Anyone have any products to suggest?

Thanks,

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Old May 3, 2011 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim941NYC
Yes that is right. Weldon also has a fuel pump controller to help with the noise and help with fuel temps.
Same here. Without it that pump is VERY loud at idle! I knew when my buddies turbo drag radial car was coming to the line because I could hear the pump before his car LOL!
 
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Originally Posted by tvurt
Fail safe? Is anyone running an inline pump running a fuel pressure fail-safe alarm?

I am looking for a nice LED + audible alarm for the cabin that could also trigger a relay to shutdown my ebc power if fuel pressure reaches a certain level. If the EBC is off, i will ride my .8 bar wastegates, for a bit more safety with no intervention.

Anyone have any products to suggest?

Thanks,

Tom
Good idea. After I got out of owning a shop It no longer mattered to me about what the almost general public was looking for in mods and I am just doing what I know to achieve my goals.
 
Old May 3, 2011 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Powell
Same here. Without it that pump is VERY loud at idle! I knew when my buddies turbo drag radial car was coming to the line because I could hear the pump before his car LOL!
HAHA! the pump is so heavy and big that I was uncomfortable trying to mount it off some silicone tubing.
 
Old May 3, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TTdude
Agreed but most folks with upgraded vtgs and 700 kits don't upgrade fpr. If you ran 5 fpr, not sure stock pump could keep up. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my impression.
The highest demand is in the torque peak, most people like to rev to redline and you really never get back into the torque peak driving that way so your fuel demand is less. Not sure if that helps.
 
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Originally Posted by Camo_cab
Dgreen,

Please don't take this the wrong way and I realize my post will be easy to dismiss since I am new here and you don't know me or my experience from Adam.

I have a pretty extensive background in building race cars and have done a lot of development in fuel supply systems for very demanding off road race applications.

In your plumbing pics you have a few 90* fittings that are of the sharp bend design. Those are know to cause cavatation in that application. Simply put. Cavaatation kills pumps. An easy fix is to swap the fittings to the sweeping radius design. I have diagnosed several systems failures due to cavatation attributed to the type of fitting you are using.

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Thanks for the heads up! I will look into swapping them out. Is this important for the return line as well or should I just be worried about the feed? I didnt think it mattered with fluid but good FYI.
 
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The entire feed side of the system is what I would classify as a critical detail.

You can get away with more on the return side but I try and just make it a practice to never induce any undue restrictions or turbulence into the system.

As a rule of thumb you want to use the least amounts of fittings as possible.
This is actually harder then it sounds and I go to great effort to minimize the number of fittings in any plumbing application. The 90* you used are not even allowed in my parts bin, there is always a better solution to using those.

on the tank hose that you have the 2 90* elbows. Remove both of them and the straight hose end. Replace with a radiused 90* hose end and connect it directly the the tank bung fitting. That will eliminate the potential problem shown in the pic.
 
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Camo-cab, The return line is just as important to me for a few reasons, effects the operation of the FPR, and cavitation in the return line introduces bubbles in the fuel tank.
 
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You will not get an argument from me. Although I see it all the the time in use and apparently some people get away with it for awhile you would never see that fitting anyplace on my car. I hate them so much I would not even use it on a gear box breather. LoL
 
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Originally Posted by TTdude
Agreed but most folks with upgraded vtgs and 700 kits don't upgrade fpr. If you ran 5 fpr, not sure stock pump could keep up. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my impression.
TTdude

Stock 997TT comes from the factory with dual fuel pumps and are good up 83lbs injectors running @3.8bar FPR.

For running on E85 had to upgrade to the above injectors to satisfy the increased fuel need.
 
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Personally I like the aeromotive line of fuel supply products and have used them for years on various builds. ( non Porsche )

Here is a good tech article that will help you understand needs to be considered when choosing a pump.
http://aeromotiveinc.com/2010/01/fue...nd-horsepower/
 
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Originally Posted by venkatreddytx
Stock 997TT comes from the factory with dual fuel pumps and are good up 83lbs injectors running @3.8bar FPR.

For running on E85 had to upgrade to the above injectors to satisfy the increased fuel need.
Thanks Venkat. Do you know the rating of the stock fuel pump?

Originally Posted by Tim941NYC
The highest demand is in the torque peak, most people like to rev to redline and you really never get back into the torque peak driving that way so your fuel demand is less. Not sure if that helps.
The highest fuel demand should be at highest HP as fuel rate consumption increases with increasing rpm. At peak torque, you should see lowest BSFC.
 
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Originally Posted by TTdude
Thanks Venkat. Do you know the rating of the stock fuel pump?



The highest fuel demand should be at highest HP as fuel rate consumption increases with increasing rpm. At peak torque, you should see lowest BSFC.
HI,While the gauge was on it while during a dyno pull ,,,,it went from a peak of 70 and as it got into the higher RPMs it went down to 65....But I have EPL 72 injectors with stock FPR...
 

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Peak torque is your peak VE also. thats is why it is your highest fuel demand.
 


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