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Old May 2, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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Tiff Nedell Racing a 997tt

not sure if its been posted on here, but this was on our 5th Gear Car TV show. It was also posted on PH.
i have watched it over and over again. Standard car, no super Geo set ups or racing gizmo's . Just a road car on the track.
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Great video. As far as I know, we can only see the videos on youtube. I've memorized all of the ones uploaded so far. Any other sites to find them?
 
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Originally Posted by eugkim
Great video. As far as I know, we can only see the videos on youtube. I've memorized all of the ones uploaded so far. Any other sites to find them?
This was posted on Piston Heads, its a forum like this one. Normally something on it now and again.
 
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Thank you for posting, Tiff has always been my favorite TV show driver.
 
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Thank you for posting, Tiff has always been my favorite TV show driver.
Your welcome
 
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Originally Posted by MY996TT
Thank you for posting, Tiff has always been my favorite TV show driver.
Me Too! I miss the program fifth gear. Top gear always has a butt load of grap you have to watch to see the car stuff.
 
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is it just me or does he seem really jerky...and lacking in the smoothness dept?
 
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Awesome!! Tiff can drive!
 
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Awesome driving and the sound of the turbo is... crazy!!!
 
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Tiff is an amazing driver - he saw toothed the wheel on corner entry to find the level of grip in the front tires between understeer and intial turn in. What I am wondering is why he was saw toothed on the flat straight sections of track..perhaps adjusting for slip angle if the rear tires would attempt to power on oversteer under very hard acceleration...
 
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I love his reaction at 1:40 after getting passed.
 
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Originally Posted by ttpopo
is it just me or does he seem really jerky...and lacking in the smoothness dept?
Its this very fact that impressed me. Were all used to our 911's being fitted out with trick suspension and Geo etc, but this is a completely standard road car, and that's what happens to a standard car when its on the edge. IMO its good because it represents a good real world representation and you can almost feel every bit of effort Tiff has to put into the car.
Its sort of like an honest view of a 911 997tt racing, sort of what we all could experience with our standard cars
 
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Originally Posted by Sunnyside
Its this very fact that impressed me. Were all used to our 911's being fitted out with trick suspension and Geo etc, but this is a completely standard road car, and that's what happens to a standard car when its on the edge. IMO its good because it represents a good real world representation and you can almost feel every bit of effort Tiff has to put into the car.
Its sort of like an honest view of a 911 997tt racing, sort of what we all could experience with our standard cars
I hear you - but to me, it seems way jerky. We all know that smoothness = speed. in this vid, tiff is wild and wooly...you can see how it affects his lapping too, as he overcooks it a couple of times.

Also, his line is a bit suspect IMO...
 
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Originally Posted by ttpopo
I hear you - but to me, it seems way jerky. We all know that smoothness = speed. in this vid, tiff is wild and wooly...you can see how it affects his lapping too, as he overcooks it a couple of times.

Also, his line is a bit suspect IMO...
The Turbo was under steering. Sawing is usually helpful in getting the car turned when it's pushing. Notice when Tiff almost pushes off the track, he adds more steering input, but the car doesn't turn. Seems like Porsche dialed in a lot of under steer on the car. To alleviate the understeer, you straight the wheel to reset grip and then turn in again as opposed to adding more steering input like Tiff did when he almost pushed off the track and the GT-R up-and-undered him.

Still the passes were obviously staged so they could get both cars in the video and make it look good, which it really did. Especially compared to Best Motoring's pro drivers passing other pro's on the outside of every turn, those races are .

Also the track looks REALLY bumpy which might explain why Tiff was over the top with the sawing at the wheel. And maybe that's just his style, I'm sure the car could be driven as fast without all of the wheel motion though.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
The Turbo was under steering. Sawing is usually helpful in getting the car turned when it's pushing. Notice when Tiff almost pushes off the track, he adds more steering input, but the car doesn't turn. Seems like Porsche dialed in a lot of under steer on the car. To alleviate the understeer, you straight the wheel to reset grip and then turn in again as opposed to adding more steering input like Tiff did when he almost pushed off the track and the GT-R up-and-undered him.

Still the passes were obviously staged so they could get both cars in the video and make it look good, which it really did. Especially compared to Best Motoring's pro drivers passing other pro's on the outside of every turn, those races are .

Also the track looks REALLY bumpy which might explain why Tiff was over the top with the sawing at the wheel. And maybe that's just his style, I'm sure the car could be driven as fast without all of the wheel motion though.
I think when watching Tiff and Jason Plato( he was in the other car) you have to expect some show boating.They always do it and play off each other. Mind you, it looked good fun which is the only reason to track a car if your not racing. TBH if your not racing for real,IMO, it doesn't matter how a car handles, its how you cope with it that counts and so long as you have some fun and keep safe as well.
 


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