oddly enough, the RWD GT2 put a 10 sec spanking on the AWD TT at the 'ring. both cars bone stock. this 10 sec was 1/2 as big a spanking as the TT puts on the 996 C2.

 

But the GT2 also benefits from many other things:
1. 40 more horsepower (and more Torque as well)
2. Improved suspension geometry that can't be matched by a 996 Turbo (even with mods)
3. Better Tires AND Wider Tires (The GT-2 used P-Zero Rosso's vs. Regular P-Zero's)
4. 262 lbs Lighter

One could argue that the AWD system is the culprit behind the 262 lb difference so it should be included in the RWD vs. AWD comparison (which would be fair).

So the question is, how much of that 10 second difference is down to the 40 extra HP, the upgraded suspension and the better tires?

My guess is that it would be pretty close if the aforementioned differences were eliminated.

- KJ

 

wonder why they used the RWD base for their true performance cars (GT2, GT3, and CGT)?

 

I have always been an Audi/Quattro guy. In my hands the RS6 couldnt be a better car for the twisites in my neighborhood etc. RWD is just universally known to be more nimble, with the abilitie to torque steer. In the hands of a good driver, RWD has the advantage of oversteering at/around the apex and leaving the turn faster with less slow down. Of course there are many different things that can contribute to how nimble a car is but RWD diffenetly contributes.
Check out the video below. I love my RS6, but I dont think I could do the things they do with the CLS55 and M5 with such control.

http://privat.birklehof.org/~loeffle...ls55_amstv.wmv

 

I agree with Ben. As well this argument is so tired and old already. True sports cars are not AWD. Period!

As well these modifications to the engines to derive these insane amounts of HP out of 996 TT's are a waste IMHO. Yes maybe reprogramming the ECU, but too start modifying the internal parts and changing them out is just nuts. You want a fast car buy a Viper or a Z06 Vette. Porsche's are not 1/4 mile race cars.

 

Ben,

I think we need to open up the next shootout to CGT's and GT3's. The GT2's will already be there.

I disagree with the following statement, "Improved suspension geometry that can't be matched by a 996 Turbo (even with mods)." I am disagreeing with the "even with mods" part.

This question will never be answered on this forum. I have an idea. If you enter your CGT or a street registered GT3 in Tim's next shootout (High Roller Shootout), I'll make sure my "turbo" is there with it's modified suspension. One of us will have to be correct and to make it interesting, if you beat me I'll buy you dinner.

 

Also, was that test a base turbo or an X50?

 

True Sports cars are not AWD! Give me a freaking break, what are you smoking?

 

I have to agree. There is no way you can't call a 996TT a real sportscar....it's just not a 2wd real sportcar...it's a 4wd real sportscar...

 

Buddy name all the great AWD sports cars? Super cars maybe so, tRue sports cars NOT...RWD or nothing, as well an AWD Turbo with PSM does zero for me. I like very little assitance when I drive. I always had the PSM off in my 996's and thats why my M3 is a Comp pkg with limited DSC interference. You have a very nice TT and I am not knocking it in any way whatsoever, I am speaking from a true enthusiasts point of view. I would HAVE a GT3 before any turbo period.

 

you know chad, i should always put an "excluding the $500k 1200 hp KA TT on it's 2nd or 3rd engine which spends 90% of it's time down and has questionable street legal status" in my statements. iow, yours is so far the exception that it doesn't invalidate the rule.

fwiw, depending on when, where and the details, i'll try to make it out with the bone stock CGT to the next one. that said, don't plan on my being willing to melt my $25k clutch for drag race testing though.

 

As well just curious why you would load your car up with stereo equipment and then add so much HP. The idea of a true sports car is to be as light as possible, this is why most people change out seats and strip as much **** out of the car as possible. This is a serious question not a stab..

 

IMO - the only cars that should be evaluated as to track performance is a 2 wheel drive with no traction control and no PSM. Otherwise, why not have someone else drive your car for you if you are going to have all that computer control? Or sit in front of a Video game and play. It's hardly testing your driving ability as much as it did we older trackers had to determine the limits of our car by feel and experience. What's next? Maybe putting down rails on the track so the cars can't stay on the right line?

Just my 2 cents but it should prove money well spent just by the stir my comments should make.

 

I was saying this to tyson though... put the same kind of suspension on the TT and things get more even. The stock suspension on the TT is absolutely the ****tiest thing ever...

 

It seems I got one half answer to my question and a whole lot of flaming everywhere (not at me, just in general).

I can see this is not the place to have a technical discussion, fact seems to be clouded by opinion. Perhaps I should start some threads about how shiny my car is and which set of chrome 22's I should get.