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Old May 30, 2011 | 12:43 PM
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Hi, can I get some coments on this logg done in third gear WOT.
 
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Old May 30, 2011 | 01:32 PM
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pulling timing. Your chart is a little hard to read. Are the last two columns lambda or boost and requested boost?
 
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Yes the last two are actual and taftet boost
 
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Logs 2&3 look pretty decent to me. Relatively modest boost. What octane fuel are you running?
 
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logs look good...
 
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Am I looking at the wrong column? Or is the timing being pulled? I see 17.25 degrees @ 2954 then drops to 9 degrees @ 3199-3447 ?? Is this wrong?
 
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Originally Posted by Tim941NYC
Am I looking at the wrong column? Or is the timing being pulled? I see 17.25 degrees @ 2954 then drops to 9 degrees @ 3199-3447 ?? Is this wrong?
In order to determine if timing is being pulled or not, you'd have to know either how much timing is requested in the maps or cylinder individual retard from knock control. Neither being present in the logs, I doubt one could say the tune pulls timing like you do. The values I see seem normal to me, but then on MoTec you're probably used to run 17 degrees on full boost in the midrange, just nevermind the guy who uses an arc welder in the engine bay
 
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I would like to learn how to read these logs; anywhere I can find reading material? Thanks.
 
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Good question, Id like to know where to learn also. It all looks Greek to me.
 
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Originally Posted by GT2996TT
In order to determine if timing is being pulled or not, you'd have to know either how much timing is requested in the maps or cylinder individual retard from knock control. Neither being present in the logs, I doubt one could say the tune pulls timing like you do. The values I see seem normal to me, but then on MoTec you're probably used to run 17 degrees on full boost in the midrange, just nevermind the guy who uses an arc welder in the engine bay
In log 2 at 3306 rpm there is 11.25 dergees of timing. Log 3 at 3289 rpm there is 12.75 degrees of timing. With that info I assume timing is being pulled
 
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Originally Posted by Tony@epl
It could have been pulling timing oe IAT was different, or coolant temp, or rate at which the throttle pedal was moved, etc, etc, etc. As the other poster stated, you cant just look at variations of timing logs and assume timing is being pulled. You need real time data showing this to draw that concussion.
That is why I said assume. The OP asked for comment. I looked at the 3 logs and the timing was the only thing that looked odd. That is why I asked what fuel he was running.
 
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Originally Posted by landjet
Good question, Id like to know where to learn also. It all looks Greek to me.
Me three. A tutorial on how to read these charts and what it means would be a geat addition to our knowledge base section if any of you experts are up to the challenge.
 
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Originally Posted by Tony@epl
Quick run down...

Time - Time is obviously a measure of amount of time since start of log

RPM - RPM is corrected (filtered) engine rpm. This should match the tach in the dash very closely.

Engine load - A calculation of airflow and rpm... there's way more to it then that, but its basically the main look up when referencing stored tuning data. 100% is basically a calculation of 100% of cylinder volume being filled with air.

Mass air flow (HFM) - Reading of air flow. This will be actual airflow on stock cars, but may not be accurate on tuned cars.

Ignition angle - Angle at which spark plug fires. Important for proper combustion for max power with out knock.

Oxygen sensing, bank 1 Lambda Value - Lambda reading in front of the cat. Rough air fuel calculation is lambda*14.7 = af
Oxygen sensing, bank 2 Lambda Value

Boost pressure of sensor - actual boost pressure in mbar. To convert to bar : (Boost pressure - ambient pressure)/1000 = Bar

Setpoint boost pressure - requested boost in mbar.
Thanks Tony. Those definitions are helpful. Do you know what values would be considered good for HFM, ingnition angle, oxygen sensors? I'm not sure if what I am asking has a simple answer.
 
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How did it run during the pull?
 
Old Jun 8, 2011 | 07:43 AM
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Sorry for the late reply, The car puls great and is running as it should so the next step will be to see if we can get some more boost +0.1-0.2 we will prob. Need more fuel
 


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