Good thought on the pot marking, but I think the angle between the cam sprockets and the cams are a variable due to the variocam. It would work on a fixed timing engine like a 993 or older though. I am betting a cam tool could be spec'd and fabbed for a reasonable price and sold here. Hmm. Mabey I can talk to my friend who does this type of work regularly. A simple welded fixture. The same for the liner pressing tool.

 

I see what you and Rennfab are meaning about the Variable timing ahh well just a thought.
As to making these tools, I recon it wouldn't cost a machine shop all that much to make a Laser cut copy of the Cam timing tool and weld up a lug plate.
I wonder what a group buy would cost if an original tool could be sourced and copied

 

I did a list about 2 years ago of the tools needed for an engine overhaul because I wanted to reach the IMs and you need to split the case. Here's my list ;-) I still have the complete overhaul step by step that was done by Imagine Auto before they closed the door and this is where I was able to build that list...


9653 inlet camshaft wrench
9653/1 exhaust camshaft wrench
9401 chain tensioner
9661 cam timing
9661/1 cam timing
9657 piston ring tool
9659 piston 2 + 5 mounting tool restraining strap
9660 pushing device sleeve
9651 spacer
9500/6 piston circlip
9500/4 plunger
9500/7 sleeve assembly
9500/3 piston circlip
p140 retaining nuts holder for cylinder
p209 a crankshaft retainer plate
P 201 engine holder
P201b mounting element
9548 holding wrench
9662 retaining device
P221 restraining strap
p238a b flywheel fixture
p216d insertion device for sealing ring
9517/1 assembly aid
9517 pressure piece for sealing ring
9667 engine holder adaptor
9511 o-ring conical tool
piston ring plier no.58

 

Many of the above factory tools are actually not needed and/or can be fashioned quite easily vs buying the factory tooling. Some don't work with aftermarket parts, like the piston circlip pushing device on JE FSR skirt pistons.

99% of the tools above I've machined at my shop EXCEPT for 9661 and 9661-1 as the specs for such tool are not available online. Hence my issue, and hopes in that someone here has the cam specs I need The tool is very expensive but also very hard to get in a timely fashion. Capability is not lacking on my end in the fab department as that's what I do here, just the dimensions to make the tool.

But yea, lots of tooling for the job whether it be factory or home made.


So back to the task at hand. I replied to Tim's PM he sent me, but does anyone know of verified camshaft degree specs for timing w/o the 9661 and 1-1 for use with a dial indicator?

What I received from a member on a different forum is as follows:

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Inlet opens @ 10 BTDC
Closes @ 20 ABDC
Exh opens @ 41 BBDC
Closes @ 9 BTDC
bear in mind that this is taken a 1mm lift and that the Vario mechanism would be in the fully adavanced position which according to these numbers would be 95 C/L intake and 106 exh
regards
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I'm unsure where this information was obtained and would like to validate it myself, or from another trusted p-car mechanic.



Keep the thread alive with posts.

 

I PM'ed you my cell number.. are the spec's for the intake cam for the high or low lift? retarded or full advance? It's a big pain in the a$$ to time the cams 180 degrees out with the dial indicator. You just cant place the indicator on the bucket. the indicator needs to be inline with the valve stem so it is exactly 180 on the cam lobe.

 

How much interest is there with the plates? I own the real ones and if it makes sense I can have them made easily. The plate with the tab that holds the cam needs to be harden do to the fact that it dose hold the cam while you are torquing up the bolts. Lets get a number of units and price nailed down. I do have a few changes I would make to make the unit easier to use. That would make more then a 10% change of the tool for any patents, I think that's how it works but I can run that passed the lawyer later....

 

My questions exactly and information that I could not verify. And you did bring a thought to light in respect to the buckets. They are not flat topped on the intake for the Vario, making it exceedingly difficult to get a proper vertical reading on the indicator. I do have a special tip I machined for reading buckets on the subaru race motors, but I've yet to try it on a radius tappet.

I did get your message and cell number thank you. I'll plan to give you a call in the afternoon as I read you were in long island, which isn't all too far from where I'm located upstate.

 

I would be interested if the price is right. These should cost about $250 max to make. This just needs to be made out of anything stronger than mild grade steel. Getting crazy with hardening metal will make it pricey and is not necessary really.

 

Count me in too if you're starting manufacturing those tools. I love tools

 

The baum tool is more then 250. The plates cost me a few thousand dollars and were very hard to get. Let see the interest and take it from there..

 

Hi,
I'm rebuilding my 996 tt engine and need to set the cam timing. Wondering if anyone has the porsche plates that I could rent/borrow. It would be extremely helpful. Thought of going with dial indicators but with the variocam things might get a bit too complicated.
Thanks,
Jay

 

Anyone have the cam timng spec for a 04 Turbo cab 996?? I have the dual indicators just need spes or degress Jim

 

Tim941NYC you say you have the plates Do you rent or know the spes to use dual dial indicators for a 04 996 turbo Thanks any info would help cant e-mail you directly to new on here Jim

 

Count me in for the plates I will buy rent whatever it takes Braums are 1400 a set Jim

 

Just got off the phone with Specialty Auto tool rental He will have the 996 Tubo plate for rent by Friday I am first inline but he plans on keeping them for rental from now on. He has all the other tools in stock now to buy or rent His number is 1-877-218-1596