ADV1 cracked wheel failure... just an FYI...
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Its not an ADV.1 fatigue issue, it has to do with an inner barrel part used for that particular set. the part is derived from the same manufacturer HRE uses for their wheels. I think ADV.1 has handled the situation perfectly.... i just dont know why people are trying to bash them for this?
I just wanted my fellow 6speeders to be aware as 22" wheels probably wouldn't end up on any of our 911's but perhaps a family vehicle. Just rather our community to be safe than sorry if they happen to have a wheel from the bad batch.
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While it sounds like that are "handling it", I want a wheel that NEVER needs ANYTHING "handled".
I wonder why HRE hasn't had this issue??????
Why?
If they use the same vendor, are you claiming it was just dumb luck of the draw??
Or is there something about the design, the spec, the tolerancing, the incoming QC or in in process QC that is different between ADV and HRE??
To say "same vendor" as if that means 'same parts' seems to really miss the mark, IMO.
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I wonder why HRE hasn't had this issue??????
Why?
If they use the same vendor, are you claiming it was just dumb luck of the draw??
Or is there something about the design, the spec, the tolerancing, the incoming QC or in in process QC that is different between ADV and HRE??
To say "same vendor" as if that means 'same parts' seems to really miss the mark, IMO.
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This was our response to the original M3post thread regarding whether or not this failure affects HRE in any way.
We’ve been alerted that HRE is being dragged into this thread. While we don’t want to be anywhere near this, unfortunately our name is getting tossed around so we are forced to clarify some of the statements being made.
Feel free to verify our TUV certification here, http://www.tuev.at/start/browse/Webs...rter%20Partner
- HRE Banned from Racing?: Regarding the ban from racing in the 2000’s, this is FALSE. Unfortunately this was a rumor created by the boyfriend of an Audi customer that was unhappy with us. We took this very seriously and contacted all of the racing sanctioning bodies and the Viper Racing League (which is the event the supposed failures occurred) and it was all shown to be false. Unfortunately HRE at that time had a “hands off” policy on the forums and this rumor spread like wildfire; leaving us even today having to defend ourselves. We were also way too soft with our use of legal protection. Today we would not let a rumor like this spread without serious repercussions to the perpetrator, particularly when the intention was clearly to simply hurt our reputation with false information.
- Rim Suppliers: HRE purchases our rims from 2 suppliers in the U.S. We have had rim failures on the inner flange (not the same location as this failure) primarily on older rims manufactured and sold years ago. This can be caused by work-hardening during manufacture but also due to other factors, including some user issues like running with low tire pressure. While this issue is rare today, we worked with our suppliers to have them roll the inner rim flange on all their parts to ensure this never happens. These rims are being incorporated into our stock now as they make the transition. The rest of the industry will get this improvement as well of course. We keep inventory on rim parts needed for our wheels at our 60,000 sq ft facility.
- HRE wheel failures?: HRE has experienced wheel failures, particularly on older models from years ago. HRE has been in business for a long time and the strength and quality of our wheels is substantially different today then say in the ‘90s. Even today we challenge ourselves with our racing efforts and while we have and will continue to win championships, we recognize the possibility of having a potential failure in the future given the nature of pushing the limit in professional motorsport. In fact, a well designed motorsport wheel will eventually have its fatigue life run out of it and fail if it is not retired after its useful life. However, we do NOT expect to have wheel failures on the street. We have a LIFETIME STRUCTURAL WARRANTY for a reason. Our wheels are meant to be lightweight but they should still last the life of your vehicle so if it has our name on it we will take responsibility for it.
- Quality: Please do not equate the use of similar suppliers with similar quality. HRE does our design/engineering/CNC machining/finish/assembly here in Vista (San Diego, CA) at our OWN facility with our OWN quality management process that is TUV certified. We’re not just talking about wheels being certified. Our QUALITY MANGEMENT SYSTEM is TUV certified.
- Engineering: Our president has a B.S. from Harvey Mudd College in Engineering and an M.S from UCLA in Mechanical Engineering and came to us in 1999 after 8 years of working at Northrop Grumman’s B-2 Division doing structural analysis on aircraft. The fact that HRE has a mechanical engineer in such a lead position should make it clear we’re not just a “draw and cut” company and how proper engineering is viewed here. As for FEA we know it is way too easy to get a very “accurate INCORRECT answer”. If you have no idea what you’re doing, you’re going to end up with false confidence leading to problems. Junk in. Junk out.
- Does this failure affect HRE?: HRE has never experienced and does not expect to experience a failure of the nature exhibited here. After concerns were raised we had discussions with our suppliers and our own engineering team here and feel that this is not an issue that will affect HRE or requires any changes to our quality management system, wheel designs, or suppliers. It is easy to look at a cracked rim and immediately assume the failure is due to the rim, but the center design and quality of manufacture along with the assembly design and quality of the process are key to ensuring parts do not exceed their design limits.
Feel free to verify our TUV certification here, http://www.tuev.at/start/browse/Webs...rter%20Partner
I've had issues with my HRE 540R wheels a while ago, actually the worst issues I ever had with any wheel period. Maybe it was an older model - I don't know I bought my E55 with them. That was not my frist set of HREs, but it did keep me away from that brand for over 3 years. A bad experience is a bad experience.
While I understand that bends and cracks can happen to any wheel - really. HRE is on a completely different level then what used to be 360 Forged. 360 literally robbed people and then resurfaced as high end ADV1 and just about everyone forgot and is blindsided by the uber sweet photoshoots and videos.
While I understand that bends and cracks can happen to any wheel - really. HRE is on a completely different level then what used to be 360 Forged. 360 literally robbed people and then resurfaced as high end ADV1 and just about everyone forgot and is blindsided by the uber sweet photoshoots and videos.
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it was a bad batch of 22" step lip inner barrels... its in the thread, im not claiming anything or spreading any rumors just stating Triangle is a very high end wheel inner and outer barrel manufacture. ADV.1 uses them as does HRE... its common knowledge...
it has nothing to do with qc either, the pats come in pretested and heat treated from Triangle.
Lon from HRE can confirm.
again the biggest issue on this whole thread, not talking about op sorry if you feel like im being biased towards you because it is not at all the case, is some dont know the facts so they are eating into the rumors others are spreading
it has nothing to do with qc either, the pats come in pretested and heat treated from Triangle.
Lon from HRE can confirm.
again the biggest issue on this whole thread, not talking about op sorry if you feel like im being biased towards you because it is not at all the case, is some dont know the facts so they are eating into the rumors others are spreading
While it sounds like that are "handling it", I want a wheel that NEVER needs ANYTHING "handled".
I wonder why HRE hasn't had this issue??????
Why?
If they use the same vendor, are you claiming it was just dumb luck of the draw??
Or is there something about the design, the spec, the tolerancing, the incoming QC or in in process QC that is different between ADV and HRE??
To say "same vendor" as if that means 'same parts' seems to really miss the mark, IMO.
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I wonder why HRE hasn't had this issue??????
Why?
If they use the same vendor, are you claiming it was just dumb luck of the draw??
Or is there something about the design, the spec, the tolerancing, the incoming QC or in in process QC that is different between ADV and HRE??
To say "same vendor" as if that means 'same parts' seems to really miss the mark, IMO.
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Bolas...you have some skin in this game because of your relationship with a vendor of the aforementioned wheels, which I think you should have disclosed if you are going to present yourself as an authority on the subject...not who the vendor is or the nature of your relationship, just that you have a relationship with an ADV vendor and are not a totally unbiased source
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Chuck, im just trying to shed some light on the subject at hand so that the 6speed community can be properly informed. Im not being biased toward any manufacturer im just stating the truth which is why i am trying to be as brief and to the point as possible on my posts. i apologize if i may be coming off as a 'fan boy' towards the aforementioned wheels.
again the title of the thread states: ADV1 cracked wheel failure , which is misleading and not the case. thank you and if you wish i will not post in this thread anymore
again the title of the thread states: ADV1 cracked wheel failure , which is misleading and not the case. thank you and if you wish i will not post in this thread anymore
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I don't care if you post in the thread...I just want you to be up front about where your information is coming from...I talked to Triangle and they said the failure was likely a clamping force issue and is a very uncommon failure...they believe that the problem has been taken care of
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I don't care if you post in the thread...I just want you to be up front about where your information is coming from...I talked to Triangle and they said the failure was likely a clamping force issue and is a very uncommon failure...they believe that the problem has been taken care of
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[quote=SSMugen;3498391]Actually I heard that triangle is no longer working with ADV.... also interestingly enough this next part applies to us... its a long post but basically is saying their load rating isn't high enough to support Porsches rear engine design. If anyone has ADV wheels on their porsche they might want to double check for not only cracks but if the wheel they are using is safe carrying all our weight.
Well, speaking of load rating issue, ADV.1 never really responded to whether their centers are engineered in a way that the entire weight of the vehicle is place on the bolts and not evenly distributed on the wheel. This was brought up by someone that seems to have a close relationship to Triangle and ADV.1.
I don't need pages of TUV certification or JWL/VIA certification to convince me to buy a wheel or not. I just need to know for a fact that the wheels are designed appropriately to be driven on without having to jeopardize my loved ones' lives. Fikse and CCW do not have any of those certifications, but they are track proven wheels so that's what really count.
Well, speaking of load rating issue, ADV.1 never really responded to whether their centers are engineered in a way that the entire weight of the vehicle is place on the bolts and not evenly distributed on the wheel. This was brought up by someone that seems to have a close relationship to Triangle and ADV.1.
I don't need pages of TUV certification or JWL/VIA certification to convince me to buy a wheel or not. I just need to know for a fact that the wheels are designed appropriately to be driven on without having to jeopardize my loved ones' lives. Fikse and CCW do not have any of those certifications, but they are track proven wheels so that's what really count.
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Ironic that this post is still here considering I started a post like this mos ago about another wheel manufacture having similar issues; after being called a liar by one of our mods, the post was removed. I bet if ADV1 was a sponsor this would have been removed too!
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what do you mean by similar issues ?
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