Detailed clutch compare ERP vs Carbonetics
#1
Detailed clutch compare ERP vs Carbonetics
Okay I have had problems with clutches and now I think I found the solution to my problems. Prodigymb's "spoolbus" has been using the ERP setup that we installed a few months back, Mark report with great feed back so I dove in as well. Here is what I found:
side by side, ERP top and right
covers ERP top. ERP uses the turbo throw out bearing
Carbonetics uses 964 rs throw out bearing. Weaker ears as some here know.
Drive hubs ERP top
diaphragms.. ERP one heavy one Carbonetics two pieces
ERP uses single heavy one.
Carbonetics two lighter ones, no anti-rotation device
Pressure plates.. First ERP
top
Side
Friction surface
Carbonetics
Top
Friction surface
Disc: Top ERP
Diameter of disc.
ERP
Width of friction material.
ERP
Carbonetics
Floaters. ERP top
Carbonetics floater on top of ERP
ERP disc on top of floater
floater on top of disc
Carbonetics Floater on top of disc
disc on top of floater
Flywheels: ERP
Carbonetics
side by side, ERP top and right
covers ERP top. ERP uses the turbo throw out bearing
Carbonetics uses 964 rs throw out bearing. Weaker ears as some here know.
Drive hubs ERP top
diaphragms.. ERP one heavy one Carbonetics two pieces
ERP uses single heavy one.
Carbonetics two lighter ones, no anti-rotation device
Pressure plates.. First ERP
top
Side
Friction surface
Carbonetics
Top
Friction surface
Disc: Top ERP
Diameter of disc.
ERP
Width of friction material.
ERP
Carbonetics
Floaters. ERP top
Carbonetics floater on top of ERP
ERP disc on top of floater
floater on top of disc
Carbonetics Floater on top of disc
disc on top of floater
Flywheels: ERP
Carbonetics
#3
Thanks for the detailed information. I'm completely unfamiliar with the ERP clutch so do need to read up a bit. I had read a bit about Carbonetics triple already and was fairly impressed.
Does the ERP drive reasonably well without adjustment, or is adjustment key to getting civility from it too? I've read that the Carbonetics can be a bit tricky to drive without some key adjustments. Thanks!
Does the ERP drive reasonably well without adjustment, or is adjustment key to getting civility from it too? I've read that the Carbonetics can be a bit tricky to drive without some key adjustments. Thanks!
#4
My car had the caabonetic/ats with a 1550kg pressure plate... can did run a 9 sec run but didn't really hold up( it actually is crabon /metal not carbon/carbon... I chose Tilton since then...
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9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
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#5
With a 3 month wait.... No thanks. I have the wherewithal to use any clutch and with the tiltons need for shimming and the fact that they wanted my power level to run a quad disc, I opted to try something that was more main stream and relative to the average modder.
#7
nice write up Timmy, width of the discs and floaters is going to be HUGE. im curious to feel your clutch with the updated hub design vs mine ..... which i am still very happy with.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
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#8
I just went around the parking lot. Feels good.. I liked the feel of the carbonetics but it just did not hold. ERP grabs low I like that.. one turdbo on the car so I cant give any feed back or new videos..
#10
I know I am not making the HP you are but the feel of the ERP is just stellar. I had a light weight Act in my car Prior to the 4th Gen ERP and it was just bloody awfull.
I have the light wt Aluminum flywheel in my car and it is just brilliant in feel. You do get the Porsche light weight sounds like a piece of metal vibrating sound from the clutch when you lug the engine but the overall feel of the clutch is top notch. Cary from ERP tells me this unit is good for at least 1500 hp so it will be interesting to see how it fairs in your car.
I have the light wt Aluminum flywheel in my car and it is just brilliant in feel. You do get the Porsche light weight sounds like a piece of metal vibrating sound from the clutch when you lug the engine but the overall feel of the clutch is top notch. Cary from ERP tells me this unit is good for at least 1500 hp so it will be interesting to see how it fairs in your car.
Last edited by Engine Guy; 11-19-2012 at 03:07 PM.
#11
Great write up!!
We've used the ERP setup on just about every high HP build we've done over the past 2 years, and nothing but awesome things to say about it!
Although we're sold out at the moment, I usually keep a couple in stock...they're THAT good!
We've used the ERP setup on just about every high HP build we've done over the past 2 years, and nothing but awesome things to say about it!
Although we're sold out at the moment, I usually keep a couple in stock...they're THAT good!
#13
ERP quoted me these prices -
For the Triple Disk (holds 1250 lbs of torque) ( includes, flywheel, t.o. bearing) complete $3995
For the Twin Disk (hold 850 lbs of torque) complete $3395
#14
Alright... Been beating..er I mean driving the car around and it feels good. It is holding the power no matter how I shift. I am turning up the boost as I write this so tomorrow I will have new dyno numbers.
Still have not setup my no lift shift but the night is young... HBK'ers never sleep...
Still have not setup my no lift shift but the night is young... HBK'ers never sleep...