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Old 11-18-2012, 12:44 PM
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Detailed clutch compare ERP vs Carbonetics

Okay I have had problems with clutches and now I think I found the solution to my problems. Prodigymb's "spoolbus" has been using the ERP setup that we installed a few months back, Mark report with great feed back so I dove in as well. Here is what I found:

side by side, ERP top and right





covers ERP top. ERP uses the turbo throw out bearing



Carbonetics uses 964 rs throw out bearing. Weaker ears as some here know.


Drive hubs ERP top





diaphragms.. ERP one heavy one Carbonetics two pieces

ERP uses single heavy one.


Carbonetics two lighter ones, no anti-rotation device


Pressure plates.. First ERP

top


Side


Friction surface


Carbonetics

Top


Friction surface


Disc: Top ERP





Diameter of disc.

ERP







Width of friction material.

ERP




Carbonetics


Floaters. ERP top





Carbonetics floater on top of ERP




ERP disc on top of floater


floater on top of disc


Carbonetics Floater on top of disc


disc on top of floater


Flywheels: ERP







Carbonetics





 
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What does the erp go for $ ?
 
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:46 PM
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Thanks for the detailed information. I'm completely unfamiliar with the ERP clutch so do need to read up a bit. I had read a bit about Carbonetics triple already and was fairly impressed.

Does the ERP drive reasonably well without adjustment, or is adjustment key to getting civility from it too? I've read that the Carbonetics can be a bit tricky to drive without some key adjustments. Thanks!
 
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My car had the caabonetic/ats with a 1550kg pressure plate... can did run a 9 sec run but didn't really hold up( it actually is crabon /metal not carbon/carbon... I chose Tilton since then...
 
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With a 3 month wait.... No thanks. I have the wherewithal to use any clutch and with the tiltons need for shimming and the fact that they wanted my power level to run a quad disc, I opted to try something that was more main stream and relative to the average modder.
 
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Price?
 
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nice write up Timmy, width of the discs and floaters is going to be HUGE. im curious to feel your clutch with the updated hub design vs mine ..... which i am still very happy with.
 
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Originally Posted by prodigymb
nice write up Timmy, width of the discs and floaters is going to be HUGE. im curious to feel your clutch with the updated hub design vs mine ..... which i am still very happy with.
I just went around the parking lot. Feels good.. I liked the feel of the carbonetics but it just did not hold. ERP grabs low I like that.. one turdbo on the car so I cant give any feed back or new videos..
 
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Price?
I did not even ask.. It took a week to get tho.
 
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I know I am not making the HP you are but the feel of the ERP is just stellar. I had a light weight Act in my car Prior to the 4th Gen ERP and it was just bloody awfull.

I have the light wt Aluminum flywheel in my car and it is just brilliant in feel. You do get the Porsche light weight sounds like a piece of metal vibrating sound from the clutch when you lug the engine but the overall feel of the clutch is top notch. Cary from ERP tells me this unit is good for at least 1500 hp so it will be interesting to see how it fairs in your car.
 

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Great write up!!

We've used the ERP setup on just about every high HP build we've done over the past 2 years, and nothing but awesome things to say about it!

Although we're sold out at the moment, I usually keep a couple in stock...they're THAT good!
 
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had an rps clutch in my vette. prob the best high hp clutch ive ever driven. def worth every penny
 
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Originally Posted by unvmy996
Price?

ERP quoted me these prices -

For the Triple Disk (holds 1250 lbs of torque) ( includes, flywheel, t.o. bearing) complete $3995

For the Twin Disk (hold 850 lbs of torque) complete $3395
 
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Alright... Been beating..er I mean driving the car around and it feels good. It is holding the power no matter how I shift. I am turning up the boost as I write this so tomorrow I will have new dyno numbers.


Still have not setup my no lift shift but the night is young... HBK'ers never sleep...
 
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