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Intake pipes worth while on 550whp car?

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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil A
I don't sorry as these tests were done a few years ago and the logs are on a old laptop. The table above was put together by Ken from 9e who are building some serious Porsches over here in the UK, this is what he had to say at the time .

1) Each entry is a timestamp in durametrics.
2) Neil was at full throttle on each - I could see this from the throttle position parameter.
3) He was in the same gear
4) He was on no boost at 2100 revs for each of the above, and then floored the throttle, which was shown by the increase in TPS.

Results
1. He is spooling quicker - the boost comes in quicker
2. The boost is higher - in some places by around 0.86 psi - okay that doesn't seem like a lot, but bear in mine the change that has been done her - the pipe and intercoolers.
3. He was quicker through the same gear
4. His AFRs are better. He is running less rich in places. It seems that the DME has adapted, and recognising the greater airflow. This would make sense.
5. His IAT at WOT (7200 rpm) is 6 degress less. His starting position is less by 3 degrees, same AT.
6. Difficult to judge the IATs, because until you go over 150, you really cannot see if they help to stop timing being pulled.
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I'm not questioning you or the tuner used. I was simply saying without a timestamp, you can't compare the two sets of datapoints for acceleration. But there's no question the IAT and general performance of the car improves given the changes you made with intake & intercoolers.

Durametrics certainly uses a timestamp next to each corresponding datapoint, but it's not a 100% linear time stamp (as you obviously have more datapoints in one chart than the next). So since acceleration = velocity / time, it's tough to really compare anything acceleration or spool up speed when the time portion isn't available.

No bashing here at all though. Certainly appreciate your feedback and good results. It just sounds like the physical data you have is limited to what was already posted. Good stuff though and appreciated.
 
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Originally Posted by dkfx
notice any increase in spool?

guessing you did everything at once though...?
Yes I upgraded everything at once. I can tell you with Alpha 28s
intake, big intercoolers and hoses. Boost is almost instantaneous
 
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ok Men this is my 2cents into the intake pipe thread.

I have a 550 maybe 600hp Prototuned weapon with Markskis FANTASTIC flexi-tube intake pipes which are a huge improvement over standard how much i cannot say.

What I can say is if you doing this mod get rid of the rubber piece of crap hose that joins the oem airbox to the alloy pipe and replace it with a 90mm ID Silicon Hump Hose clamped down with some nice strong T-Bolt Clamps.

Ties the whole system together very nicely and about 300% more rigid over over the aforementioned piece of crap.

look forward to hearing ur results.

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by TurboTodd
Yes I upgraded everything at once. I can tell you with Alpha 28s
intake, big intercoolers and hoses. Boost is almost instantaneous

That's a nice package and a fun one..
Those A28s are known for that kind of response
 
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Originally Posted by timccloud
ok Men this is my 2cents into the intake pipe thread.

I have a 550 maybe 600hp Prototuned weapon with Markskis FANTASTIC flexi-tube intake pipes which are a huge improvement over standard how much i cannot say.

What I can say is if you doing this mod get rid of the rubber piece of crap hose that joins the oem airbox to the alloy pipe and replace it with a 90mm ID Silicon Hump Hose clamped down with some nice strong T-Bolt Clamps.

Ties the whole system together very nicely and about 300% more rigid over over the aforementioned piece of crap.

look forward to hearing ur results.

Cheers,
Tim
Tim, can you elaborate as to any weakness in this part or performance reason for replacing it? This is the first I have heard of changing it out.
 
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Originally Posted by ASLAN
Tim, can you elaborate as to any weakness in this part or performance reason for replacing it? This is the first I have heard of changing it out.
The OEM tube that joins the air box to the aluminum intake is flexible for a reason. The air box is essentially hard mounted to the chassis of the car (yes there are rubber grommets but they do not allow any movement). The OEM coupler tube is flexible to that it allows the engine to move around without putting undue strain on the aluminum intake which is hard mounted to the engine, or specifically the composite intake manifold on top of the engine. Yes, the same one people are cracking in another thread here..
 

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Originally Posted by ASLAN
Tim, can you elaborate as to any weakness in this part or performance reason for replacing it? This is the first I have heard of changing it out.
I found the original rubber crap was to weak, to short and hard to clamp with T-bolt clamps. I could not get the rubber hose to clamp correctly, it actually came away from the alloy pipes causing a leak after the MAF.

Then found the new alloy pipes were floundering around with the OEM hose. Once fitting the Hump Hose the unit becomes much more solid and stable.

I have a 3" Y pipe fed from wagner IC's with expanding silicon hoses 2.5" to 3". The 3" Y pipe does limit the room more so and you may not experience the same issues with a stock Y pipe. I have semi solid engine and gearbox mounts, I find most worm drive clamps come loose and give me boost leak issues so I only use T-Bolt clamps that are permanently thread sealed everywhere.

But for the 10 bucks the hump hose costs the clamping power of T bolt clamps and half an hour it takes to fit what do you have to lose?

The rubber hose it great for the stock intake pipes as they bolt in position but are just not satisfactory for the alloy section of marks fantastic intake pipes that did not (mine at least) come with any provision to bolt in the same position.

The sillicon Hump Hose with the T bolts solve the issue.

Hope I didnt ramble to much been up all night fitting my new alternator.
 
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
The OEM tube that joins the air box to the aluminum intake is flexible for a reason. The air box is essentially hard mounted to the chassis of the car (yes there are rubber grommets but they do not allow any movement). The OEM coupler tube is flexible to that it allows the engine to move around without putting undue strain on the aluminum intake which is hard mounted to the engine, or specifically the composite intake manifold on top of the engine. Yes, the same one people are cracking in another thread here..
Yeah yeah its still flexible thats the idea of the hump. Its just not as flexible as that rubber crap. Everyone ones situation is different it was just my 2cents. All i can say is the intake pipes are worth every cent and so is the hump hose

 
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I'm using Markski's flex tubes and the factory plastic connector out of the factory ****box on 1.6/.7 boost. No issues. Just do the flex tubes.
 
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