I would be very hesitant to touch that, given that the milage has been corrected as soon as it hit the dealer inventory...

 

I will definitely have the Dealer check the hours. My guess is that it should have around 200-230 hours for an average speed of 30-35.

Mike

 

tell ya what, focus group of one lol. if they keep leaving the spoiler up as in the pics, those rams'll start weepin' faster than you can shake your stick. well, maybe a little slower

test that lol

 

I can tell you this for a fact I've owned at least 200 cars that I can remember most every day cars that are nothing special some special and the low mileage cars of the same years diffidently leaked/dripped fluids less then the higher mileage cars hand down. There is no one here including myself that if a magic wand could cut the mileage of their cars in half wouldn't jump all over it=at least honest people. If anything on my cars fail I get it fixed correctly at whatever the cost period.

 

i was merely pointing out to you, that it was disingenuous of you to dismiss out of hand my assertion that low mileage 96t's ( that again ) have been left sitting for lengthy periods are, or at least can be prone to leaky seals etc. and that any assertion to that effect might be "hype" and/or "sour grapes". that is what you posited, seemingly in response to my, ( i thought? ) possibly helpful post to a potential buyer.

that yours does not leak does nothing to mitigate the reality of my offering. nor did your reply. but i feel better now,.. somehow.

 

All I'm pointing out is that myself and most others would gladly repair a leaky seal or replace a leaky ram if they can get a lower mileage car. I have bought high mileage cars and have been happy with them mostly because they were had for cheap and I do most of my own repairs for low cost. The lower mileage cars were higher cost and a lot less work=period. Everyone loves low mileage and that's a fact its just a matter if you want to pay or not sometimes I do, sometimes I don't but I never kid myself that's there's not an advantage to lower mileage on average. Kudos on your vocabulary lol.

 

well, ok. fine. but wherever did you get the notion i was attempting to DISSUADE the OP from buying a low mileage car that would've been quite a stretch.

c'mon man... i said they ( low mileage tt's ) are prone to leakage. you said yours didn't and you'd had 200 cars lol ( as if that was empirical evidence of some kind ) and my assertion was not? so do the math and figure out why your comment was provocative and less than helpful.. and..

cheers

 

Because higher mileage cars are more prone to leaks wear damage you name it that's the facts of nature that's why high mileage cars are not as a rule on high end car lots or wanted by most people. The lower mileage car is less on average to likely need expensive repairs. My opinion which I know from history you do not like is that this guy and whomever is looking should put the mileage up there at the top of the list because you can do repairs but you cant erase miles which equate to overall wear and decrease in value. I have seen you argue with people here before some with real knowledge so I will just let you have the last word. And yes I have owned well over two hundred cars and am well known in the small car world I came from I do not bs.

 

you are from bizarro world, your father's name is jor-el.. and you suffer from this, so yes, thanks for the last word.

Bizarro and the other inhabitants of the Bizarro world used an odd but predictable form of English. The most notable characteristics were:

• The lack of nominative case when using pronouns; Bizarro replaces pronouns that should be nominative with their analogues in the accusative case. Bizarro might introduce himself by saying "Me am Bizarro" instead of "I am Bizarro," for example.
• The lack of proper verb conjugation; Bizarro only uses the first person conjugation for any verb. For example, the verb "is" is always conjugated as "am", leading to sentences like "This am great".
• Speaking the opposite of what is really meant in a situation. Thus, "This am great" would mean that the thing isn't great at all. The exception would be "Me am Bizarro", which would actually mean what was said.

 

Sometimes miles are mistyped when the SM or SA is typing in the info into the work order/receipt. I've had it happen more than once but not by that much. But it is a simple matter of where the transposition occurs or how jittery the typing finger is.

You know where the car spent some time. Call dealers in those areas and with the VIN see if you can learn about any servicing and the date/miles at which the servicing was done.

This can provide you with some comfort level the mileage is ok.

You need to have a good test ride in the car and then a test drive of the car to make sure it is running ok.

Then treat it like a used car it is and give it a thorough used car check out.

A PPI follows to make sure the car has no issues like body/paint work (major and obvious) and no fluid leaks.

The DME is read and over revs are noted and discussed -- my info is a Tip can be overreved which can happen if the car is driven down a hill or downgrade -- the engine run time also obtained.

This is divided into the odometer reading. Roughly, the average speed is 30mph or close to it. A higher average means the car was used for longer drives at highway speeds. Given the low miles not likely in this case unless the owner drove cross country and back and then parked the car...

Lower miles suggest the car was used around town.

Real low miles -- what is real low... under 20mph starts getting a bit too low -- can hint at odometer tampering but of course what I mentioned above if you do it, can do it, can eliminate tampering.

Generally odometer tampering is used not to make the car a real low miles car but to take the miles below some lease miles per year threshold so the driver doesn't have to pay a large penalty for the over miles. Say the 3 year lease allowed for 10K miles per year and the owner drove 48K miles. The odometer would be rolled back to under 36K miles or even a bit over 36K miles. So the 1600 hours engine run time would produce instead of an average 30mph would instead produce an average of (assuming 48K rolled back to 36K) 22.5mph.

Bear in mind the car is a low miles car -- assuming the mileage is correct -- so it can possibly have new car issues.

Being a Tip it will not have the common clutch accumulator or slave cylinder issues but the spoiler hydraulics can leak and this is expensive ($2K+) to put right.

If you can you want to avoid paying a premium for a low miles car for as soon as you drive it the miles of course accumulate and the premium evaporates and you bear a larger portion of the depreciation.

At some point a low miles car starts to deteriorate, mainly the seals/gaskets dry and shrink. My low miles (1666/year over 6 years) 996 Turbo (6-speed) developed a leaking selector shaft seal leak at around 30K miles (I bought it with just 10K miles on the car). To fix this would have cost around $5K. The car was covered with a CPO warranty so the tranny was replaced with a new one at no cost. ($10K+ if I had to pay for this.) The spoiler hydraulics leaked and had to be replaced at a cost of $2K+. More recently the RMS (at 110K miles) developed a leak. Cost to repair: nearly $1700.

Where these due to low miles/lack of use? Well, impossible to say. While the tranny leak was covered by the CPO warranty and the leak happened under 60K miles the spoiler and RMS happened at a much higher mileage, roughly I estimate at over 95K miles and maybe over 100K miles. (As I mentioned above the RMS leak was fixed at 110K miles the spoiler leak before that but not too much before that.)

These are not show stopper issues but can make the ownership experience a bit more costly than one assumed it would be buying a low miles car.

Also, note the car could need immediate attention. Tires could be too old (>6 years) and I'd have an alignment done when the tires were replaced. Brake fluid flush/bleed may be overdue.

While there I'd replace the cabin air filter and engine air filters just to get there new and out of the way.

Might be worth the cost to have the A/C system checked for and leaks and make sure it has the proper amount of refrigerant. Over time this can leak out as the A/C seals dry and shrink.

Spark plugs are due to be changed on time if not miles, so factor that and the above service items into your offer price.

 

That's a pretty crazy interior. I kind of like it, but the wood might be weird in person

 

Yes I cant type that well as I have never had a reason to do so other then the computer. I just am a high school educated guy that did well retired at 48 married to an attorney with a nice retirement land holdings etc to see me thru. But I've never felt the need to attack anyone in such a manner unless it was face to face =if you feel the need to show off are be rude use the pm option or I can e-mail you my phone number.

 

Macster I would like to hear your response as you are always a gentleman. If you buy a low mileage car and get the use of the car isn't that use of value. The first question a person usually asks here and elsewhere is year and mileage. I have always tried to get the lowest mileage car I can and have honestly never experienced the seals/gaskets leaking as stated.Have numerous times replaced just about all seals gaskets on higher mileage purchases. I'm starting to think maybe I am in bizzaro world if I'm better off to buy a higher mileage car.

 

My first Porsche (95 993) had 17k on the odometer. I paid a premium for the low miles and proceeded to lose the premium from driving the car. It also burned oil due to the first owner not driving it hard enough and the o-rings not settling in well.

My second one (2004 996 tt) I specifically looked for a car that had more more miles due to the above. I ended up buying one with 44k on the clock.

 

aggk I believe you but I guess I have been lucky as I've never experienced such as this. I've bought new and changed the oil at the suggested interval's or once a year whatever came first and never had a car burn oil. The only car I had long term that used oil was a 1991 VWgli and that was only a quart between changes.