Understeer Solutions
#1
Understeer Solutions
I'm another new 996TT owner here. The car is basically stock with stock sized wheels and Pirelli Assymetrico 18" tires with about 50% tread. I'm a fan of the "80/20 rule", saying 'You can get 80% of the results with 20% of the effort'. That said, I'm looking for the bang-for-the-buck modification to help correct the car's understeer (without converting to RWD). Researching has shown the following as good suggestions. What have you guys had good results with? What would be the recommended best first choice?
- Check and setup car's alignment settings (specific settings?)
- Larger rear sway bar
- Larger front and rear sway bars
- Wider front tires
- Wider front and rear tires
- Wider front track (wheel spacers)
- Wider front and rear track (wheel spacers)
- Replace all 4 tires with 'something better'
- Adjustable shocks (via coilovers)
- Upgrade differential
- Replace suspension bushings
- Lowering springs only
#3
GT2 Kussmaul/ Motorsports settings...aim towards them(won't be able to get full adjustability with a TT unless GT or aftermarket parts are installed) :
Front Camber - 2.5 degrees
Front toe 2 mins per side
Caster 8 degrees -0+.5
Rear Camber -2.4 degrees
Rear Toe 14 mins per side -0+2. 28-32 mins total
Loaded ride height 112mm front, 130 mm rear
Front Camber - 2.5 degrees
Front toe 2 mins per side
Caster 8 degrees -0+.5
Rear Camber -2.4 degrees
Rear Toe 14 mins per side -0+2. 28-32 mins total
Loaded ride height 112mm front, 130 mm rear
#4
I've run Pirellis on my previous 996 and on our Boxster. I've notiiced if they are not real new and fresh they want to push and feel a bit hard. New front tires may help a lot. I did a stiffer rear sway on my 996 C2 and it made the handling a lot more neutral. My Turbo has Sumi HTRZ lls in a 225 F and 285 R and pushes less than with the Michelin PS2 in OE sizing. On a hot day (near 100+) after a few hard turns the Sumis will start to get a bit greasy, so I wouldn't recommend them for track. My car handles to my liking and is an '04 Cab, low miles stock in every way. I have H&R lowering springs but haven't installed them yet. If I do I'll add a bigger adjustable rear bar.
I almost ordered PSS10, then Ohlins coilovers a few times but resisted temptation and held off. I know I could easily spend $6K+ and still not be satisfied, maybe even less so than stock. More and more money, just keeps pushing the horizon and the reality is the car will do things better, but in the end, the overall ownership is about the same.
Welcome, enjoy, and good luck!
I almost ordered PSS10, then Ohlins coilovers a few times but resisted temptation and held off. I know I could easily spend $6K+ and still not be satisfied, maybe even less so than stock. More and more money, just keeps pushing the horizon and the reality is the car will do things better, but in the end, the overall ownership is about the same.
Welcome, enjoy, and good luck!
#6
Increase your corner entry speed and trailbrake deeper thus loading up the front tires as you smoothly apply steering input which will aid in rotating the car. Maximum bang for zero buck...
Last edited by pwdrhound; 11-07-2013 at 09:51 PM.
#7
I have the Eibach sways, I set the rear 1 setting harder than the front, I also run 1" lower and harder on the shocks, it turns in nicely.
Careful until you get to know the car better on the limit, it's a big pendulum back there. It gets much livelier without the PSM
Careful until you get to know the car better on the limit, it's a big pendulum back there. It gets much livelier without the PSM
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#8
Use oem swaybars. My recm only change rear at your entry level/budget.
Yes alingment. Yes wider front and wider rear. I would go 245/35 front..315/30 rear for street...toss all rubber out of rear suspension... Lose some weight of car and you will be good starting point.
Yes alingment. Yes wider front and wider rear. I would go 245/35 front..315/30 rear for street...toss all rubber out of rear suspension... Lose some weight of car and you will be good starting point.
#9
Some good information on the topic.
http://rogerkrausracing.com/pages/moreinfo.html then click on oversteer/understeer
http://rogerkrausracing.com/pages/moreinfo.html then click on oversteer/understeer
Last edited by cjv; 11-08-2013 at 12:25 AM.
#10
Some good information on the topic.
http://rogerkrausracing.com/pages/moreinfo.html then click on oversteer/understeer
http://rogerkrausracing.com/pages/moreinfo.html then click on oversteer/understeer
thanks for posting, should be a sticky as this gets asked over and over
#11
Now when anyone wants to change to a certain type of sway bar or go to different tire widths you don't just buy into it because it sound goods. Drive your car, better yet take a few track lessons so you get to know your car and then make changes one at a time, testing to see what changed and if it changed as you expected.
Last edited by cjv; 11-08-2013 at 09:59 AM.
#12
Don't forget not all info applies to our awd. Like playing much with tire height.
Now when anyone wants to change to a certain type of sway bar or go to different tire widths you don't just buy into it because it sound goods. Drive your car, better yet take a few track lessons so you get to know your car and then make changes one at a time, testing to see what changed and if it changed as you expected.
Now when anyone wants to change to a certain type of sway bar or go to different tire widths you don't just buy into it because it sound goods. Drive your car, better yet take a few track lessons so you get to know your car and then make changes one at a time, testing to see what changed and if it changed as you expected.
Last edited by pwdrhound; 11-08-2013 at 02:56 PM.
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