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I agree with Mark. To build a good E85 system you will need all the parts plus a great tuner. It's not as easy as everyone thinks or inexpensive. So why build an E85 system if your not going after four digits? Either way good luck with your future endeavor.
Robert

 

THe 5k is not my price. Only what others are charging around the country. I just made it nice and even. You will see that often what u expect to pay and what you will end up are far apart. I'm not picking on you just trying to set you free because from the very beginning of your build out you have been going thru a handful of nightmares ( all published here on 6speed). Sometimes it is better to do things on your own yet sometimes it's better to give it to those who has done it a few times already. Many shops will grab you as a client but a few will actually do it right.
So I mean it when I said good luck. This is not as easy as you think. Ask those who have the set ups and they will tell you how long and how hard it was to complete and actually have it running right.
So be careful. I've seen this many more times then you. And I'm not speaking out of spite. I have nothing to gain
Markski

 

I agree Robert.

Weldon 2345a pump 1246$
weldon filter 124x 3 372$
weldon reg. 339$
custom -12 fuel rails.
Lines and fittings.. Keep in mind one -8 90 is 18$. Some Y blocks are 70$. It gets out of hand very fast. oh what listed does not inclued relays,wire,heat shrink and odds and ends. Hose? 75$ for 20ft -6 push lock. price only goes up from there.

You can build a cheap system that will get you to 800 or so whp, but to get above that you will be looking at that list above.

BTW you are not happy with the power of your 18g 72lbs 100% meth 1.6bar car now... Where you think you will be after you drive 750-800 hp around for 2-3 months?

 

Or how many times the system was re done because the published flows are not true to real world. how many times people hurt thier engine because of the magic 044 pump and the BS flow rates.

Claimed flow of 044 300l hr. add second 044 in parallel and you end up with 450. not the 600 you think.. Add a 3rd 044 and the loss is more plus you now have a 60 plus amp draw on bat/alt and you need to have power for your ignition system... ... been there.

 

Your right on the money!

 

I'm a businessman. If I do the numbers and it's a dollar, I'm gonna add a quarter
for unknowns.

I have E85 and it is capable of 1200 hp corn and 2000 hp gasoline. Parts + labor
will cost you 4k - 5k. You cannot skimp on the fuel system and you need more than
you will use.......right now lol.

Stay away from areomotive, fuel lab and other "pretty" anodized crap. The areomotive
fuel filters are ok but nothing else. Go with weldon, magnafuel etc...

And forget the twin Bosch 044s. I did that and it will not support even 800 whp on corn.
And 1000 cc injectors will not make more than 660 whp on corn even at 100% duty cycle!

 

Steve, most people here don't have time to clip coupons and haggle over
a few bucks here and there. Your experience is not indicative of the average
on this board.

As it stand right now, the average cost of an e85 conversion, parts and labor,
is around 4000.00. You are using 1000cc injectors and many will use the
2000cc. The 2000cc are several hundred dollars more.

You pride yourself on bargain shopping but bargain shopping isn't always
a good thing. Cutting corners is a bad idea when it comes to Lawyers,
barbers and Porsches.

But I do love you....you cheap bastard

 

May i ask?
Car is 997 TT
I have now current fuel setup: 2 stock pumps, 1 bosch 044 in tank. Than 3 pumps in 1 -8AN line to modified fuel rails, fpr is fuel lab, back is -6AN. Injectors is ID2000.
How much whp on E95 (yes, not E85) it can made?

 

997TT? maybe 1000 whp? How is your fuel pressure up top?

e85 or e95, I don't think it much matters. My setup pushes 2 bar quite
safely on e70.

 

My config is good up to 1500hp or 1300whp on race fuel without increasing fuel pressue. Does it mean thay i will get only 1000hp or 800whp or E85?

 

I don't know what kind of injectors your running but I think you'll run into
some problems with the stock pumps.

You'll definitely need 2000cc injectors for big horsepower on e85. You should
speak to Tim about the fuel pump setup. He's making well over 1200 at the
wheels.

Originally I had a dual Bosch 044 setup and it petered out around 700 whp.
We switched out one of the Bosch units for a Magnafuel Pro 750 and the
fuel lab fpr for a weldon. Now I'm good for 1200 whp corn and around 2000
on pump gas.

 

So you have 6 fuel pumps? A fuel system is just that, just because your pumps are individually rated to handle the fuel flow need does not mean that when pumping against head psi of other pumps, lines, fittings, filters and rails it is still the same out put. Also as each pump runs it draws down on the battery and makes the alternator draw more hp.. Steels volts and available amps from you ignition system.

Who knows what the 3 (or 6?) pumps are doing to your fuel quality. Are your large injectors pulsing the fuel in the rails? The only real way to know is to log your car. Fuel psi at furthest point on rail and fuel temps but that still does not tell if you fuel is being aerated.

 

set me free? LOL! you are certainly a legend in your own mind marky mark.
its so ironic that you disparage a shop you dont know anything about yet feel they arent qualified because they arent a "porsche" shop, yet YOU FARM OUT LAYINGBACKS ENGINE BUILD TO SPEEDRIVEN A ... WAIT FOR IT... A MERCEDES SPECIALIST WHO BUILDS V12 ENGINES!! why? maybe because you didnt have the tools, the shop nor the experience to build an engine. rest assured when i take my car to the shop ill be elbow deep with the shop owner pulling the motor and helping any way i can. learning as i go.


tim i value your opinion more than anyone on here but im not building a cheap system but a system that can handle my goals of 700 rwhp with fuel to spare. the prices i listed were what i actually paid
according to your tuner the id 1000cc injectors will support my 700 rwhp goals easily on corn
im the cheapest bastard you will ever meet! but that doesnt mean i cut corners. of course the huge 2000 cc inj. cost much more but its uneeded for my goals. the op didnt say what his goals were so my post was anexample of a system that doesnt cost 5k$in fact i mirrored your system minus the injectors and i went with a fuel pump that supports 1500 on race gas vs your 2000. i think you will find there are more bargain hunters on here than there are bottomless pockets. my goals were reasonable and cost effective as i dont want to spend 50k$ building a 50k$ car 15,000$ was my total budget and with the proefi i upped it to 20k$ and thats it. no trans work no huge axles simply engine management , turbos fueling and intakes labor and tuning. as im no purist just a redneck dragguy if it pops ill toss a ls3 motor in it drop my tUrbos on it and **** the whole porsche world off just for fun!

 

I actually really like the idea of an LSx in a Turbo body.

 

Few points here. FueLab makes quality stuff. I have been using their pumps, filters and FPRs. Maybe not weldon level but they both have advantages and disadvantages, certainly on same level as Magnafuel.

Good enough to make 1000whp on a low reading Mustang dyno on E80 straight from the PUMP

I have personally seen 1000cc injectors easily make 735whp on E80 at just over 90% duty cycle on a Dynojet using a pair of T3 HTA3071s. Keep in mind fuel pressure will play a large role in how much you can push the 1000s.

I'd say the 4k mark sounds right with parts AND labor.

not the first car from 6spd that has been farmed out to speedriven by him. lol. he is not a shop despite what many people think.

i agree

because there are TON of other benefits from running E85. Plain and simple, you dont need to be making 1000 or 800 or even 600 to take adavntage of them. not everyone wants to turn their car into a 1000+ hp paper weight. 700whp is a good place to be with this car, plenty fast, plenty reliable, easily daily driveable.