depends on the driver.

 

My favorite Oak-ster! How you been man? I was hoping to see you at the GAF....

 

It's sad how insecure you are that you made this thread. Everyone was crapping all over you in that thread and now the same is going to happen here.

Let me tell you want you want to hear, your evoms supercharged car is superior to everything and any women that see it throw their panties at it. One day, I hope to own a 6 year old carrera with a supercharger and try to convince everyone on the internet that my ***** are huge and there is no way another product that I did not purchase can be better than one that I purchased for my car.

I respectfully bow down before you.

 

ROFLMAO !!!!!! ...that's litterally the funniest sh*t I've read in my life. Obviously everyone has this goons number, lol.... (I'm just so sorry I caught this thread he posted so late after the fact...could of beat up on him and is little 3.4L EVO job some more)

Bwahahaha, another feeble attempt to infect a ridiculous comment about a product that at this point is blatantly proven to be (if nothing else) night and day faster than an EVO SC. 10 seconds to 100mph ?? ROFL!! Try 11.6 @ 122.5MPH from a local TPC'ed 3.6L C4S in MD. I'll do the math for you (0-100 in <8.5 secs). This from a PCA member who road races to boot, he just wanted a guidline (He also mentioned how even X50 TT's with simple bolt-ons (i.e. just exhaust/intake) aren't a match) Mind you this is still a *heavier C4S chassis with AWD*


Should of invested your broke *** bank accounts' extra chunk of change on a REAL "BLOWER" son, LOL!!!


Now imagine GT2 power in a lighter weight narrow body C2 Carrera 3.6, I could easily see how it could rival ~stage 3 TT levels of acceleration....WOW, too cool.

 

Are you serious LOL, a stock 6spd turbo from car and driver, with their slowest times posted did 0-100 in 9.2 , how will a stage 4 be slower

"sticky
It's sad how insecure you are that you made this thread. Everyone was crapping all over you in that thread and now the same is going to happen here.

Let me tell you want you want to hear, your evoms supercharged car is superior to everything and any women that see it throw their panties at it. One day, I hope to own a 6 year old carrera with a supercharger and try to convince everyone on the internet that my ***** are huge and there is no way another product that I did not purchase can be better than one that I purchased for my car.

I respectfully bow down before you. " OMFGGGGGGG HAHAH

 

I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with one of your posts.

 

11.6 @ 122.5? That is some serious power. Do you have a slip or anything of the sort to show? Not doubting you, but I would just have to see it to really believe it. I know the TPC kit has a great low end due to the roots blower, but I am not sold on their tuning solution. Their software is piggyback correct? Also, they add another injector instead of using bigger injectors I believe.

I agree that the TPC blower will make more power through the rev range than the centifugal blower EVO uses but I trust evo's software tuning and reliability.

Plus, TPC doesn't seem to have anything available for the 997 carrera or carrera S and EVO does. I would love to see what TPC's roots style blower could do on a 997 S .

 

:thumbup:

 

Sticky, whats up brotha'

...to answer some of your questions/concerns...the guy who ran those times was a local PCA who's not on the forums (he didn't even know of "6speedonline". I met him at a meet where it was rumoured "a guy with a supercharged 911" was going to be a while back before I even knew much about it. I will say though he kept the only two timeslips he had in the glovebox and had showed them to me.
I agree with you on the tuning solution, there is NO argument that reprogramming the factory ECU (custom GAIC software) with six larger injectors in the factory slots is a better & cleaner way to go. However, it doesn't discredit the 7th injector set-up from being a "viable" option* The set-up has been used for years on many aftermarket F/I applications and similiar type fueling systems were used on even OEM set-ups back in the day. TPC reps (for whatever its worth) assured me that they did testing of EGT temps of all six cylinders (i.e. individual probes in each header) on the "beta" cars when first developing the kits and determining the proper positioning and angle of the 7th injector to ensure alls optimum and reliable. It worked, and with "proper" install people have raced and driving there TPC charged cars 20-30K+ miles and counting without issue. I personally will get it installed and tuned at TPC itself when I can hack it ($$$).
Being full boost is available in the mid-2K rpm range thru redline it litterally has the powerband of a big block or torque hit of a proper turbo car...same thing. The track times and seat of the pants feel (Deputydog95 felt in his test ride) reflect this....like i said, GT2-like torque and HP...only with zero lag.
Being the 997 Carrera is the same powertrain essentially as the 02+ 996 I believe they already have kits availble for 997 carrera's** 997 Carrera's "S" they are currently working on* I would hate to be up against a TPC SC'ed 997 Carrera S...imagine a blown 3.8L motor....my fearless predictions would be ~450RWHP but with ridiculous amounts of instant torque)

--- Kev.

 

How do you know that they are working on a 997 carrera S? If they are, I wouldn't mind picking up a 997 S and one of their blowers. The torque on the 3.8 liter would be insane

I'm sure if done correctly the 7th injector works, but I would be scared of all the cylinders not getting even distribution. Why doesn't TPC just contact GIAC and see if they can work something out for GIAC to do their software the same way they do for EVO?

The reassuring factor about TPC is that they do a lot of racing and have experience supercharging boxsters and 993's so they know their stuff.

 

Well, the way I know the kit is (or should be) available for the standard 997 Carrera is seeing one pull up right in front of me one day from being road tested (while I was in to visit the TPC shop). I then asked about SC'ing the S and one of the shop guys said they were working on it* Yes, the torque would be ridiculous on a roots blown 3.8L Carrera S...it would be an insanely quick track car.
I'm with you on just having a custom tuned (from GIAC) ECU with six larger injectors, but there where two reasons they didn't/couldn't go that route. 1) One more practical one was cost; the Eaton M90 4th Gen supercharger is the lastest from the greatest. A very sophisticated, refined and expensive model blower from Eaton. (its also the lastest, newest one out) $3,000 is COST just for the SC'er itself...i looked it up, lol.(compared to ~$1.5K for a Vortech unit) Being the hardware of the kit is superior and more expensive already, a complete ECU reprogram by GIAC with six new injectors would raise the cost of the kit to ~$15K (not including an even more labor intensive install and tuning becuase of the injector swaps). 2) The second reason is, and I don't know if I should even say this here being this is a public forum but....corporate and business politics are at hand here; GIAC appearantly has a thing or some sort of behind-the-scene business dealings/working relationship with "Evolution Motorsports". This is for the fact that Evolution motorsports is a very large aftermarket parts retailer/supplier with many distributors and installers for its products. They have a huge network and if you're an automotive chip/computer/ecu reflasher company who do you want to sign a contract with?? A large "real-deal" corporation like Evolution motorsports who has 20 distributors all throughout the U.S. and even other countries, who could potentially pump out thousands of your computers/products over a years time. Or help a little race shop out of bum-f*ck MD (TPC) tune and perfect their great Supercharger kit of which only 80-or-90 would ever be sold even if they were tuned with the proper GIAC engine managment/fueling. In short, Mike Levitas's calls (the race car driver/owner of TPC) were never answered by GIAC for exactly this reason . (u heard it here first folks!)
Enough time has gone by (years) since all the kits (several hundred to date between various model boxters & 911's) have been out racing and proweling the streets to prove their reliability. Again, its all about the install. In my case, TPC would be doing the install and tuning themselves. Even if the TPC kit was ~5% less reliable than say the EVO one for our M96 motors, it would be more than worth it to me being there's 40% more performance than the EVO kit. Sh*t, who puts 100K miles on there SC'ed 911 anyway, I doubt a properly tuned SC'ed 911 whether its either EVO or TPC would ever cause an engine failure over many years of hard use anyway. I'm for *maximum performance* for my car when spending $12K on a mod. NOT maximum "reliability." lol...sh*t, if i wanted that I would just keep it stock and buy an extended warranty.

 

I am going to attach some dyno's that relate to some of the kits being discussed in this thread so that you can all see what is happening within each kit.

Stage 4 cars are amazingly fast, and so are the 3.6L S/C cars. However they are completely different cars. In my mind, it isn't a fair comparison between the two, but if I was a betting man, I would bet on the Stage 4. But as was noted earlier, a lot has to do with the drivers, and also the conditions. The only thing that can be done without hard tested facts is speculate, and unfortunately that does not hold much weight within the tuning community.

Obviously we love our EVO kits, we feel that they are the best kits on the market; and obviously TPC loves their kits. That is what is to be expected. It is the consumers job to do their research, weigh the positives and the negatives, and make an educated decision based off of hard tested facts as well as what they are looking for in a kit. It is as simple as that. The hardest thing to do is talk someone into is admitting that they made a poor decision in choosing a product. Most of us can justify any decision that we make, whether it is blantantly a bad call or not! I know I can, I have done it with half of the cars that I have bought!!!!

In any case, I hope that these dynos can show some info on what is going on, and it would be great if someone could post some TPC dynos so that we can all see the comparisons that are being discussed....

Dyno 1: 3.6L Supercharger Dyno



Dyno 2: 3.6L Supercharger Dyno, 6speed member Captain Tal



Dyno 3: Stage 4 HP Dyno (equipped with Tubi Exhaust)



Dyno 4: Stage 4 TQ Dyno (equipped with Tubi Exhaust)



Dyno 5: EVO 997 Supercharger

 

You are correct in many respects. Politics of course are at work, sponsors get a lot of leeway when it comes to promoting their products over competitiors. I am very familiar with politics on messageboards, I run my own german car forum :-p

The TPC will make more power due to its design, I think even evo will agree with that. Peak power numbers are great for bragging rights but don't mean anything on the strip or the street, power under the curve rules and TPC does that.

The one thing TPC is missing though is that porsche owners are willing to pay to play. If the TPC kit costs 3k more due to having larger injectors and an ecu flash instead of piggy back I would pay it. A lot of people would pay it as it would make the kit seem more professional. Another thing, since evoms is obviously bigger than TPC who would be more willing to stand by their product and help out in case of a an engine failure caused by the blower? I would say the company that has far more at stake. If my motor blew, I would be on every forum, screaming at the top of my lungs about what the blower did to my car. I guarantee it would be in evo's best interest in that case to fix my situation, promptly.

I'm not saying TPC doesn't stand behind their products, they do and they race with them, but EVO is bigger and has more at stake, period.

GIAC obviously has a deal going with EVO and a bunch of other companies. I am sure VF-engineering who makes the superhcarger for evoms went to them and they setup their deal as far as tuning and GIAC probably isn't allowed to under the agreement to support competitors superchargers. There are other talented software tuning companies out there, TPC should look into them, it would provide buyers with an incentive to go with them other than the superior performance.

One thing TPC could do to really get there name out there is to take these cars to the strips, and put up numbers. If people saw what the kit was capable of, it might open a lot of peoples eyes so to speak. Maybe a TPC vs. EVOMS 3.6 liter supercharger shootout is in order?

We can agree they are both obviously very good solutions for adding power to a 3.4, 3.6, or 3.8 liter naturally aspirated carrera.

 

Nate: Where are your 3.8 liter Carrera S dyno's? Also, how much boost are the 3.6 liter cars running? What about the 3.8?

Also, why haven't you guys considered doing a stage 2 or 3 supercharger package with forged internals and more boost? 600+ hp wouldn't be out of the question. I realise this would be an expensive package, but a stage 4 GT is 20k plus install, and the upper stages only get more expensive, why wouldn't guys with naturally aspirated cars be interested in this? Imagine a blown 997 C4S with forged internals, lower compression, and more boost, would be a different animal than a turbo for different tastes.

 

Inflammatory yet factual post regarding personal drives of TPC supercharged cars edited by AJ996TT.