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Is a k16 Hybrid the same thing as Billet k16?

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Old Dec 14, 2014 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Back to the clutch subject, once you get over 500 whp, which is likely, your clutch is on borrowed time, especially in cooler weather.
Correct. The stock clutch according to SACHS is rated only to 525ft/lbs of torque.
 
Old Dec 15, 2014 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
because 996s only come with k16s or k24s... thats your baseline...
I know, but they don't come with Garret either.
 

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English is not my own language , I hope not to be misunderstood. I do not want to annoy you or to contradict you, but just to understand why this solution. I guess you know what you talk about.
 
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Here is another question probably for Markski. Is there any real benifit from going to a billet wheel that fits dirctly into the oem housing? Or would you need a wheel that requires machining the compressor cover to get any real gains.

Im wondering how much power there is to be gained on a 1 bar set-up with k16s that have a billet wheel that fits in the stock compressor cover without machining required.
 
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Here is another question probably for Markski. Is there any real benifit from going to a billet wheel that fits dirctly into the oem housing? Or would you need a wheel that requires machining the compressor cover to get any real gains.

Im wondering how much power there is to be gained on a 1 bar set-up with k16s that have a billet wheel that fits in the stock compressor cover without machining required.

All billet wheels require compressor housing machine work.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
All billet wheels require compressor housing machine work.
I know of 2 companies that make Billet wheels for the K16 that do not require the housing to be machined.
 
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Originally Posted by NTIMD8
I know of 2 companies that make Billet wheels for the K16 that do not require the housing to be machined.
For k16 996 turbo Cars?
Tial and Blouch are the 2 prominent companies I trust only. They Cnc the housing to fit the larger compressor.
I can show u pics. You may be talking about others which I have no interest in. Just saying.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
For k16 996 turbo Cars?
Tial and Blouch are the 2 prominent companies I trust only. They Cnc the housing to fit the larger compressor.
I can show u pics. You may be talking about others which I have no interest in. Just saying.
Ya Im talking about companies that are not as big in the 996 Turbo world as Blouch and Tial. I did some research on the subject and a couple of companies made billet wheels for the k16 that didnt require machining of the housing. Of the two companies I found I only trust one in terms of quality of product (they are big in the turbo world) but I still dont know if a billet wheel that doesnt require machining would mean no real substantial gains or not.
 
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Originally Posted by NTIMD8
Ya Im talking about companies that are not as big in the 996 Turbo world as Blouch and Tial. I did some research on the subject and a couple of companies made billet wheels for the k16 that didnt require machining of the housing. Of the two companies I found I only trust one in terms of quality of product (they are big in the turbo world) but I still dont know if a billet wheel that doesnt require machining would mean no real substantial gains or not.

Stop while your ahead. The last client who tried to do that with some big xxxx co who thought they knew it all onky gave back busted k16s with a wheel not even spinning. No joke.
I'm trying to save u from later regretting. Sometimes too much reading and investigation is counter productive. Mind you, my partmer bobby and I were doing 16gs and then 18 as week as 20gs back in early 2004 etc long before a many even knew how to do it. And it is actually my partner who had the first 28g and a 20g on his car and he paid for the tooling so it can be reproduced. No magic here just lots of experience. And for the record , our client had the k16 billet record of 5.86 sec in 60 to 130 mph. No need for special sauce just a healthy car without boost leaks , good Intercoolers and Inhectors, some good datalogged tune and bam. It's that simple. Attention to detail is the key. Not nasa style k16 turbos. That's a myth.
 
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Ya, I never really considerd going with them and was planning to send you the turbos to have done I was just curious about a wheel not needing machining and gains to be had with that.

Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Stop while your ahead. The last client who tried to do that with some big xxxx co who thought they knew it all onky gave back busted k16s with a wheel not even spinning. No joke.
I'm trying to save u from later regretting. Sometimes too much reading and investigation is counter productive. Mind you, my partmer bobby and I were doing 16gs and then 18 as week as 20gs back in early 2004 etc long before a many even knew how to do it. And it is actually my partner who had the first 28g and a 20g on his car and he paid for the tooling so it can be reproduced. No magic here just lots of experience. And for the record , our client had the k16 billet record of 5.86 sec in 60 to 130 mph. No need for special sauce just a healthy car without boost leaks , good Intercoolers and Inhectors, some good datalogged tune and bam. It's that simple. Attention to detail is the key. Not nasa style k16 turbos. That's a myth.
 
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It's a great question...I have no idea so I love threads like this
 
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I agree VGLNTE1

I have a stock X50 car other than a tune from I dont know where. What's the difference between the K24 Spec I and Spec II. I assume the spec II is capable of 50 more horsepower and has a little more lag than the Spec I?

My car currently feels a little laggy for my taste. I'm hoping when I do an exhaust and upgraded turbos I'll be able to get rid of some of the lag.
 
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I agree VGLNTE1

I have a stock X50 car other than a tune from I dont know where. What's the difference between the K24 Spec I and Spec II. I assume the spec II is capable of 50 more horsepower and has a little more lag than the Spec I?

My car currently feels a little laggy for my taste. I'm hoping when I do an exhaust and upgraded turbos I'll be able to get rid of some of the lag.

A good tune alone can wake your car up. Correctly set garret wastegates to match and if your really into it get a after market intake to turbos like what we make and others. Exhaust is required. Spec makes upper 600 whp on race high boost.
 
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Hello MARSKI, do you only sell new Hybrid or billet turbo or can you also tune our own original K16?

I often think about the next stape to more power for my car, and I think that the real wall is the fact that I've got k16 only. (actually I even don't know how much HP I've allready got, because of my air leak...)
However, it's a real big big important and hard choice to do when you think about the next ones... That the main decision.

The price of a new kit is so expensive, you can't go wrong...
The difference without you americans, and me, continental, is that the run is not really in our culture, so my main problem is to get the more power, at the lower price, for fast road end track only.
Actually, I need power all along my power curve, and I don't know what's the best deal... Hybrids, billet, K24 billet (must be real huge in perf' trems!!!), FVD even sell Hybrids K24/26 (I don't know if they're billet or not)!!!
But I guess it's for track use only, with big lag, only for more than 4 ou 5000 rd/mn.

It seems that the max power for original K16 is 550 HP...
650hp are said for K24, but what about K24 Hybrids and billets???

And what about the other things to tune for each use? new wastegates, injection etc... That's the biggest problem for all owners of 996 turbo who want more power...
If only we could easily change after trying!

What id your point of about about the good thing to do knowing my use, and knowing I'm not a millionaire!?
 
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Originally Posted by Clyde Barrow
Hello MARSKI, do you only sell new Hybrid or billet turbo or can you also tune our own original K16?

I often think about the next stape to more power for my car, and I think that the real wall is the fact that I've got k16 only. (actually I even don't know how much HP I've allready got, because of my air leak...)
However, it's a real big big important and hard choice to do when you think about the next ones... That the main decision.

The price of a new kit is so expensive, you can't go wrong...
The difference without you americans, and me, continental, is that the run is not really in our culture, so my main problem is to get the more power, at the lower price, for fast road end track only.
Actually, I need power all along my power curve, and I don't know what's the best deal... Hybrids, billet, K24 billet (must be real huge in perf' trems!!!), FVD even sell Hybrids K24/26 (I don't know if they're billet or not)!!!
But I guess it's for track use only, with big lag, only for more than 4 ou 5000 rd/mn.

It seems that the max power for original K16 is 550 HP...
650hp are said for K24, but what about K24 Hybrids and billets???

And what about the other things to tune for each use? new wastegates, injection etc... That's the biggest problem for all owners of 996 turbo who want more power...
If only we could easily change after trying!

What id your point of about about the good thing to do knowing my use, and knowing I'm not a millionaire!?

I tune everything from k16s to garrett gt3582 turbos the sizes of a bowling ball. Lol.
Not an issue.
K16s Max out at low 500hp and k24s at 550 hp on pump gas. You need hybrid billets for either or to make more power. Also an exhaust and possibly injectors or at least a 5 bar fpr.
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