Video: BMW M6 vs. 911 Turbo (996) standard
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Again...I'm not a fan of 'vettes...but you can't deny their outstanding perfomance for the price.
In fact if anyone wants to run a stock Z06 against my M5 in a couple of months .. I would bet money it will run even 90MPH to 165MPH .
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12.0? lol, I ran a 12.1 in my stock 405 HP Z06.
Here is MT's test results of the C6 Z...Look
12.0? lol, I ran a 12.1 in my stock 405 HP Z06.
Here is MT's test results of the C6 Z...Look
I believe your number better than MT cuz MT is also in GM's pocket. 12.1 in a stock Z06 is excellent, but I suspect your car was not stock.
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Originally posted by quartermile
C&D is GM's advertsing arm. I believe a 12 second quartermile for the Z06 .. CD closer to a Viper SRT10. IMO if you want an abolute rocket get a tuned Viper. If you want a luxury rocket get the M6. if you want the ulimate track car tune a GT3. If you want a Chevy (the king of mediocracy) then get a Z06. As far as tuning a Z06 we'll have to see if the stock motor holds up. It has no history and already reports of engine problems.
C&D is GM's advertsing arm. I believe a 12 second quartermile for the Z06 .. CD closer to a Viper SRT10. IMO if you want an abolute rocket get a tuned Viper. If you want a luxury rocket get the M6. if you want the ulimate track car tune a GT3. If you want a Chevy (the king of mediocracy) then get a Z06. As far as tuning a Z06 we'll have to see if the stock motor holds up. It has no history and already reports of engine problems.
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Originally posted by quartermile
This is getting off-topic but there is no way I could justify spending more than $30K on a Chevy. At that point you begin to cross-shop a low-end Mercedes with 10x the quality and engineering, safety so be it slower. Best bang for the buck is a Suzuki 750 if you are shopping for peformance.
In fact if anyone wants to run a stock Z06 against my M5 in a couple of months .. I would bet money it will run even 90MPH to 165MPH .
I believe your number better than MT cuz MT is also in GM's pocket. 12.1 in a stock Z06 is excellent, but I suspect your car was not stock.
This is getting off-topic but there is no way I could justify spending more than $30K on a Chevy. At that point you begin to cross-shop a low-end Mercedes with 10x the quality and engineering, safety so be it slower. Best bang for the buck is a Suzuki 750 if you are shopping for peformance.
In fact if anyone wants to run a stock Z06 against my M5 in a couple of months .. I would bet money it will run even 90MPH to 165MPH .
I believe your number better than MT cuz MT is also in GM's pocket. 12.1 in a stock Z06 is excellent, but I suspect your car was not stock.
The C6 Z has already been to the dragstrip, and the guy with it ran a 11.6@125 bone stock. If you would like, I can dig up the time slip for you.
Gustav, it is too bad you are not able to get your hands on a C6 Z. If you do, please keep us posted.
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Sticky, not to pontificate, but let's ask the question another way, if you were going to a track day in 100 degree F weather, would you rather drive a supercharged M3, or a GT2/3?
This discussion largely takes place in theory for me because I haven't heard of or seen any supercharged M3's run at the track hard for sustained periods. However, I think even the M3 nuts with blowers would have to admit that for reliability under such harsh conditions, a 996 TT, GT2, or GT3 would be the better car.
If you look at the Porsches that run ORR, it's amazing that these cars can run in scorching desert heat at over 200mph for 90 miles without incident. I have not seen any BMWs do this. A friend runs his unrestricted M5 in ORR in the lower speed classes, but when he gets serious (like 180+ average speeds), I bet he'd rather grab the keys to his Ruf Turbo R.
Sticky, not to pontificate, but let's ask the question another way, if you were going to a track day in 100 degree F weather, would you rather drive a supercharged M3, or a GT2/3?
This discussion largely takes place in theory for me because I haven't heard of or seen any supercharged M3's run at the track hard for sustained periods. However, I think even the M3 nuts with blowers would have to admit that for reliability under such harsh conditions, a 996 TT, GT2, or GT3 would be the better car.
If you look at the Porsches that run ORR, it's amazing that these cars can run in scorching desert heat at over 200mph for 90 miles without incident. I have not seen any BMWs do this. A friend runs his unrestricted M5 in ORR in the lower speed classes, but when he gets serious (like 180+ average speeds), I bet he'd rather grab the keys to his Ruf Turbo R.
The thing is, in the context of this conversation or debate straight line speed is the issue. No one who can afford an M5 is going to use that car as their track car. The nice thing about the M5 is that it is a jack of all trades. Handles well, accelerates impressively, and can hold 4 adults and some luggage while the driver still has a good time. It is THE definitive 4 door sports car, and until porsche makes something it is the king of the hill for that class of car, period.
Now, also if the choice was between an M3 CSL and a GT3 for my track car that would be a little tougher, as I am so used to the balance of BMW's and an E46 M3 in particular that personally I would take the CSL for a track day. At that point, you pick the car that you personally are most comfortable pushing to the limit. Plus, I don't think you will disagree that the M3 CSL is a hell of a track car in its own right.
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Originally posted by sticky
No one who can afford an M5 is going to use that car as their track car.
No one who can afford an M5 is going to use that car as their track car.
Although, it's not his true track car
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This C6 Z06 debate vs. the M6 is pointless, the C6 Z06 is faster, we all know that.
I have seen dyno's of the Z06 and the M6, they both put down around the same amount of HP. The z06 has plenty of more potential for tuning, I saw a dyno of the car with headers and it was just under 500 @ the wheels.
Not to mention it doesn't weigh anything. Now, the superior engineered car, motor, and tranny is in the BMW. The Z06 wins with brute force, and isn't shaby at all in comparison, but the goal for the M6 or M5 was not to out drag the Z06, not much can.
If the M5 V10 was put in a car that weighed the same as the Z06 along with the 7 speed tranny I believe the car would be just as fast if not faster, considering BMW is 5 mph shy of the z06's trap speed moving something that weighs over 4,000 pounds.
I have seen dyno's of the Z06 and the M6, they both put down around the same amount of HP. The z06 has plenty of more potential for tuning, I saw a dyno of the car with headers and it was just under 500 @ the wheels.
Not to mention it doesn't weigh anything. Now, the superior engineered car, motor, and tranny is in the BMW. The Z06 wins with brute force, and isn't shaby at all in comparison, but the goal for the M6 or M5 was not to out drag the Z06, not much can.
If the M5 V10 was put in a car that weighed the same as the Z06 along with the 7 speed tranny I believe the car would be just as fast if not faster, considering BMW is 5 mph shy of the z06's trap speed moving something that weighs over 4,000 pounds.
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12.1 in a stock Z06 is excellent, but I suspect your car was not stock. [/B]
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Originally posted by 1999Porsche911
Sorry, but based on the video, BOTH cars were pretty slow. 18 seconds to get from 30 mph to 150??? Both are nice cars, but that was hardly impressive. Sure looked staged to me.
Sorry, but based on the video, BOTH cars were pretty slow. 18 seconds to get from 30 mph to 150??? Both are nice cars, but that was hardly impressive. Sure looked staged to me.
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Originally posted by sticky
I have seen dyno's of the Z06 and the M6, they both put down around the same amount of HP. The z06 has plenty of more potential for tuning,
I have seen dyno's of the Z06 and the M6, they both put down around the same amount of HP. The z06 has plenty of more potential for tuning,
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/06-Speed.html
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Stock M6 should beat the C6 Z hands down on an airstrip, and GT3 would beat on the track because weight is most important (mine is around 2800lbs.)
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/06-Speed.html [/B]
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/06-Speed.html [/B]
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. There's no possible way an M6 will beat, let alone tie a C6 Z06 on an airstrip if the Z06 driver can drive.
But we'll have to wait until the race actually happens to verify it.
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Sticky,
I am curious to see the comparo with the R Turbo 550. This is most likely the package that my GT2 will get, obviously it will be noticeably faster than the AWD version, I would think. I remember Guy's car before the Nardo was about as fast as the Yellowbird!
Sticky,
I am curious to see the comparo with the R Turbo 550. This is most likely the package that my GT2 will get, obviously it will be noticeably faster than the AWD version, I would think. I remember Guy's car before the Nardo was about as fast as the Yellowbird!
with the 590 (620+bhp) it is the same as the yellowbird
all the best
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