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Old Jun 4, 2015 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 993GT
IMO, tire was damaged/sliced.
for those wearing tires like that, get solid LCA/thrust arm bushings and inner LCA monoballs + 'straighter' toe= inner wear pattern gone
A huge yes on the LCA bushing, LCA mono ***** not as necessary.


What do you call straighter toe? You have to know how the suspension geometry of these cars works and pick numbers accordingly. To little toe and these cars get unstable. I run a fairly high amount of toe on many of the cars I set up and get very little scrub wear.


Here is a tire that came off a car I set up and was run it's whole life with 2 degree's of Camber and 1.85mm per side of toe in. You cannot get much better / even wear than this! The way you set up you car would kill nimble / stable handling.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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I like cars that 'dance', ex-karter/the 'rain' guy....
I do my own alignments: 0mm front toe, 1mm total rear toe. Will see how my car responds to the heimjoint toe-links and adjust as necessary, think setting is almost perfect beside WOT toe-flex on rubber bushings...mostly neutral but a bit hairy when near/WOT
high-speed running you do want a bit more toe-in....


Originally Posted by Engine Guy
A huge yes on the LCA bushing, LCA mono ***** not as necessary.


What do you call straighter toe? You have to know how the suspension geometry of these cars works and pick numbers accordingly. To little toe and these cars get unstable. I run a fairly high amount of toe on many of the cars I set up and get very little scrub wear.


Here is a tire that came off a car I set up and was run it's whole life with 2 degree's of Camber and 1.85mm per side of toe in. You cannot get much better / even wear than this! The way you set up you car would kill nimble / stable handling.
 

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Old Jun 4, 2015 | 11:35 PM
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If you want Rubber type bushings that are firmer than stock Elephant racing has those.
http://www.elephantracing.com/suspen...n-bushings.htm


Numerous people make solid LCA bushings. I myself prefer centric ones, not adjustable. Tarret Engineering is a great place for those.
http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...a01-detail.htm


RSS also makes them at a reasonable price.
ERP does too.
Champion motor sports makes the best dog bones out there in my opinion.
http://www.championmotorsport.com/Se...ts.asp?Cat=191




Originally Posted by 993GT
I like cars that 'dance', ex-karter/the 'rain' guy....
I do my own alignments: 0mm front toe, 1mm total rear toe. Will see how my car responds to the heimjoint toe-links and adjust as necessary, think setting is almost perfect beside WOT toe-flex on rubber bushings...mostly neutral but a bit hairy when near/WOT
high-speed running you do want a bit more toe-in....

You are likely not getting toe flex, When these cars squat the caster changes and the straighten out to improve turnability, hence the instability you feel. Lay the car into a corner and the suspension loads and the loaded wheel straightens out, if you have to little toe in the wheel toes out and the car gets way more unstable and prone to swapping ends. It is my opinion your set up does not save you much if anything in terms of tire wear but it hurts your handling.


What are you using to do your own alignments are you string & boxing it or do you have access to a machine?

Champion motorsports trailing arms and toe links are a great addition to the feel of a car but it comes at a slight cost of extra road noise.
 

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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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I took the car out today and flicked it side to side. It is very mushy. It's like the ads end will wiggle while the car keeps going straight.

I have a full Aero, solid bushing, coil over vette on R compounds I drive. I just figured I was use to that and all other cars just sucked. Lol
 
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Yup, lots of good options out there...the P.M. and Champion stuff is very nice
Understand the geometry change under squat(has anyone done a posted analysis of geometry vs. height?), will dial in the same toe with the Champion links and see if the toe-out change is flex or geometry based.
String alignment
I'm ok with a little added NVH, can't hear anything over straight pipes lol




Originally Posted by Engine Guy
If you want Rubber type bushings that are firmer than stock Elephant racing has those.
http://www.elephantracing.com/suspen...n-bushings.htm


Numerous people make solid LCA bushings. I myself prefer centric ones, not adjustable. Tarret Engineering is a great place for those.
http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...a01-detail.htm


RSS also makes them at a reasonable price.
ERP does too.
Champion motor sports makes the best dog bones out there in my opinion.
http://www.championmotorsport.com/Se...ts.asp?Cat=191







You are likely not getting toe flex, When these cars squat the caster changes and the straighten out to improve turnability, hence the instability you feel. Lay the car into a corner and the suspension loads and the loaded wheel straightens out, if you have to little toe in the wheel toes out and the car gets way more unstable and prone to swapping ends. It is my opinion your set up does not save you much if anything in terms of tire wear but it hurts your handling.


What are you using to do your own alignments are you string & boxing it or do you have access to a machine?

Champion motorsports trailing arms and toe links are a great addition to the feel of a car but it comes at a slight cost of extra road noise.
 
Old Jun 6, 2015 | 08:34 AM
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If I add all this solid stuff to the rear, should I do the same to the front?
 
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Originally Posted by VGLNTE1
If I add all this solid stuff to the rear, should I do the same to the front?
It all depends on what you are after. The front suffers from mushy bushing syndrome too. But you give up stuff with solid bushing and rod ends, performance and handling is not one of them!
 
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