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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 05:50 PM
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That is unbelieveble, how can they do that, maybe B&M buy their shifters from another company too. I am sure they have a patent.
 
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 06:12 PM
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I have the FVD 33% Short Shift, and man what a difference, feels like a new car again....shifting is short, precise,and the best part...you can feel it go into gear....I fell like i could just "lob" the stocker into gear, now I can actually feel each gear which makes it more precise...My SSK is very close to the B&M, just a little longer, but also is a little less notchy...
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I don't even think B&M makes their own shifter, I heard once they were made in Germany by a well known company (possibly Eibach), only marketed by B&M. If the Porsche part was just a bit more reasonable in price it would be worth it, keeping the car OEM. Jeez, why do they have to charge triple???
IMO the "new" Porsche ss goes a long way in answering the question as to which type of ss is "better". It may well be the under car units shorten things too much. Just my .02

To answer the question I have the B&M, it has been an on again off again relationship for me. I had some issues arise in a track situation and I took it out for a while. I have since put it back in for our last track weekend and it worked very well. Adjustment is a bit hit and miss IMO. It requires fine adjustment to get the "just right" feel that is only slightly notchy with little more effort than stock. Having done it a few times, the change out is very simple, it could be done in less than an hour. The B&M instructions are weak.
 

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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 09:47 PM
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It sounds like the under-car, short shifter linkage thing provides a better feel and precision than the in-car short shifter (??????). If I recall from an old thread posted by Chad, he said he had both installed.

When flying down a straight a straight and prepairing for a corner, I find things can get a little furious with the braking and heel toe downshifting. I am an ammature tracker and am concerned if I change to a short shift kit and or short linkage, I will become less accurate and do something stupid like downshift from 5th to second. Is there a greater risk of this with the gates being so much closer together? Is combining the in-car and under-car units the way to go as far as increasing shifting precision is concerned?

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Yes the chance of downshift from 5th->2nd, 6th->4th, etc. is increased with the shortshift...the shift is reduced horizontally also... This is why I got 33% and did not go any higher, I was worried about the same thing...as of yet I have not had this problem with my shifter...
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I have the B&M in-the-car type and plan on adding a B&M under the car one...Ive had the in-the car B&M on my last 3 996s...it is a MUST!!! Even Porsche knows their shifters suck so they are now offering this as an option...
 
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Mansour,

Let me know where you get them, I want one as well!

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Originally posted by Zippy
It sounds like the under-car, short shifter linkage thing provides a better feel and precision than the in-car short shifter (??????). If I recall from an old thread posted by Chad, he said he had both installed.

When flying down a straight a straight and prepairing for a corner, I find things can get a little furious with the braking and heel toe downshifting. I am an ammature tracker and am concerned if I change to a short shift kit and or short linkage, I will become less accurate and do something stupid like downshift from 5th to second. Is there a greater risk of this with the gates being so much closer together? Is combining the in-car and under-car units the way to go as far as increasing shifting precision is concerned?

Mike
Get the under-car unit. It only shortens the front -back throws 34% , but does not change the side to side distance ( still 1.5 " from plane to plane ), so you don't end up in 2nd when you want 4th at the track. The raised pivot point on the in car shifters change the distances in all directions, which I think is dangerous. The only advantage there is for drag racers banging 2nd to third at the strip . It's perfect for me, as I get pleasure heel and toeing rapid downshifts, not drag racing.
 
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PN - got your PM but I have not gotten or spoken to anyone about the under car B&M yet...worried about it being too short!!
 
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I have both the tech art and the b&m ... love them both. ... so I use them both and extended my lever 5" it's wonderful!
 
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I'm not sure... but after I changed to B&M... I feel that the shifting is more precise compared to stock...
And I realized that it's really hard for me to downshift from 5-2 or 2-5... with the stock shifter, it feels really soft when shifting...(like the stock M5)... and I don't exactly know where I'm shifting...
after changing to the B&M...I precisely know which gear I'm in, and where I'm shifting in to...
I've only mis-shifted with the stock ones... but never with the B&M...


i might be wrong... b/c maybe i got better after i drive more...
 

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we'll see. Gert just shipped it out today
 
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If anything the in car style B&M shortens up the 2-4-6 throws, 1-3-5 are virtually unchanged. The side to side , I'm not that sure about, never really measured it. Get whichever short shifter you want, they're all good. Personally I'll stick with the same one Porsche uses, I would caution against using anything that shortens things too much. Anything more than about 35% is hard on the synchros, they're only brass (unless you have a GT2/3), and there ain't no parts available!
 
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we'll see. Gert just shipped it out today
And what is that
 


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