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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 12:37 PM
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Is there a spring in between stock and H&R ?

2001 996tt , the H&R springs on the car sagged almost immediately and were honestly too low to begin with as they beat up the bump stops and I had trouble getting over some of the larger speed bumps.


Looking for something between the ride height of stock and the way lowered position of the H&R.
 
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From what I understand, H&R springs should only lower the car 1-1.5". Did you do a height measurement before and after? Who did the install?
 
Old Sep 9, 2015 | 01:36 PM
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The first time I lowered my '04 re used RUF springs. However, I thought they rode too hard and bumpy and went to Bilstein PSS10's.
 
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I did the install ( properly as verified by H&R over the last week as they gave me the run around sending them tons of pictures of it then saying they can't do anything about it) . Springs lowered the car 1.22" initially and have now sagged to 2" which has the front tire tucked into the front fender well, all on the bump stop, and tire hitting fender liner on certain bumps. Shocks are stock but in good shape.
 
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that sounds like "used" springs, not "new" as they do sag over time. 2 inches is old spring height.

is it possible you received a once opened package?! and which model did you get. review these http://www.hrsprings.com/products/springs/ and figure out what you've got. i suspect you've got a "race" set or the next one up based upon your initial ride height upon install.. optimally you want the "sport" springs they are red.
 
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that sounds like "used" springs, not "new" as they do sag over time. 2 inches is old spring height.

is it possible you received a once opened package?! and which model did you get. review these http://www.hrsprings.com/products/springs/ and figure out what you've got. i suspect you've got a "race" set or the next one up based upon your initial ride height upon install.. optimally you want the "sport" springs they are red.


Did you read the title of this thread? It wasn't "can you help me figure out whats wrong with my H&R springs" . They were purchased brand new, they are verified by H&R to be the correct red , part # 29385 sport springs. In short time they have sagged to an unusable height , I am not interested in going with another set of H&R . I also spent nearly 4 hours with them verifying through pictures ( also stated in my original post) that we have a proper install of the proper spring. I am asking if there is another spring out there that is less aggressive height wise than the H&R yet not as high as the stock springs. That is all.
 
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Did you read the title of this thread? It wasn't "can you help me figure out whats wrong with my H&R springs" . They were purchased brand new, they are verified by H&R to be the correct red , part # 29385 sport springs. In short time they have sagged to an unusable height , I am not interested in going with another set of H&R . I also spent nearly 4 hours with them verifying through pictures ( also stated in my original post) that we have a proper install of the proper spring. I am asking if there is another spring out there that is less aggressive height wise than the H&R yet not as high as the stock springs. That is all.
well, you actually didn't proffer as much info as you seem to think, and you've added some salient data which is always helpful when asking questions of strangers although you did clearly ask if there was a spring available that would be an option in between an h&r and and oem, but you neglected to mention which springs you installed beyond the brand. hence, my query. the answer is still "yes", and though i am disinclined to attempt to help you any further ( not that i can? lol ) but it so happens that in addition to the OEM SPORT MO30 springs which are an oem option available to you, in spite of the fact you've now made it abundantly CLEAR you have no desire to try another set of h&r, these might have been the compromise you sought: this is the set with less drop than the red "sport" springs which are causing you issues, even though the sag was greater i suspect than it should have been. i've used the h&r sport springs for 3 sets, without that significant a drop when NEW, but this is now been rendered moot.

H&R OE Sport Springs
Lowers .25 - .75” on average
Offers more control and balance
Only from H&R, OE Sport Springs are for those who desire a slight increase in handling and control. You can expect reduced body roll and superb ride comfort with better driving convenience. OE Sport Springs provide a subtle upgrade for a fine-tuned vehicle.


though i will still suggest you look into the viability of trying the MO30 springs which can be found ( among other places ) at carnewal in belgium, ask for "gert" he can help you certainly, even if i can't.

no reason to get pissy pal, i was obviously trying to help you. clearly,..my bad lol. i'll refrain ( if i can help myself ) from contributing to any other questions you may have in the future. but for now!

...and continuing in vain lol, the springs contained in this suspension package here should suit your needs quite nicely. good luck.

http://www.carnewal.com/products/P96...for-P96-Cabrio
 
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Not pissy , just didn't want to debate all day over the wrong issue at hand.
 
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I think everyone can shake and move on here. I would go with the MO30 springs as '02 mentioned. They are a known commodity unless you want to track down a set of RUF springs. Eibachs dont have many reviews on here that I have seen.

How old are the shocks that you put them on?
 
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Not pissy , just didn't want to debate all day over the wrong issue at hand.
np. i think i gave you some fairly decent advice. good luck.
 
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Originally Posted by Zmydust
2001 996tt , the H&R springs on the car sagged almost immediately and were honestly too low to begin with as they beat up the bump stops and I had trouble getting over some of the larger speed bumps.


Looking for something between the ride height of stock and the way lowered position of the H&R.
What wheels are you on?
Have you done a proper wheel alignment yet?
Different camber and other settings can also tuck the wheels in, have it aligned properly by a porsche shop, not just any alignment place.
Eibach also makes good springs.

I recently had H&R's installed, I have 19" rims and you should be able to get at least one finger in between the tire and fender. I did have one side in the rear which was 5mm lower than the rest, I had to get it re-aligned as the shop which originally did it gave it too much camber.
 
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Just tossing this out there. Could your shocks be weak?
 
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Just tossing this out there. Could your shocks be weak?
Bad shocks wouldnt cause droop. You would get a lot of bounce
 
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I have sport h&R lowering springs on mine, sits on stock oem wheels, 10mm spacers all around and stock shocks. my front tires are not inside the fender and it rides fine, 50k miles on the shocks, sure, not as good as "coilovers" still need an alignment - its not bouncy, as far huge speed bumps, avoid them lol, or just go on an angle, gas stations , etc.

can you give us the model number from the springs? everything checked ok? when you installed them like, upper mounts were fine and bearings.? no noise> see if the shocks are leaking. usually rear ones are weak do to more weight.
 

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Originally Posted by Zmydust
Did you read the title of this thread? It wasn't "can you help me figure out whats wrong with my H&R springs" . They were purchased brand new, they are verified by H&R to be the correct red , part # 29385 sport springs. In short time they have sagged to an unusable height , I am not interested in going with another set of H&R . I also spent nearly 4 hours with them verifying through pictures ( also stated in my original post) that we have a proper install of the proper spring. I am asking if there is another spring out there that is less aggressive height wise than the H&R yet not as high as the stock springs. That is all.
Originally Posted by MadWhip
I have sport h&R lowering springs on mine, sits on stock oem wheels, 10mm spacers all around and stock shocks. my front tires are not inside the fender and it rides fine, 50k miles on the shocks, sure, not as good as "coilovers" still need an alignment - its not bouncy, as far huge speed bumps, avoid them lol, or just go on an angle, gas stations , etc.

can you give us the model number from the springs? everything checked ok? when you installed them like, upper mounts were fine and bearings.? no noise> see if the shocks are leaking. usually rear ones are weak do to more weight.

Shocks were inspected at the time of install and had good compression and rebound throughout the stroke and no leaks ( still no leaks as of now) . Alignment was done at the time as well, as I stated , the springs have sagged . It is not an issue of anything else , I did my homework and checked all the likely culprits before posting this thread. It seems I've gotten my answer that the only springs truly in between the H&R and stock are M030 . I'll go with those or back to OEM , no issue. My Gallardo rode better and was less harsh over bumps than this car is currently and I enjoy a smooth ride in a car like this so OEM is going to be better for me. Thanks for everyone's input ( even you 996tt550hp ) haha.
 


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