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Old Feb 16, 2017 | 10:57 AM
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Delvac is what most run and what I believe the motorsports program uses. I use Royal Purple only.
Is it or Royal Purple considered much better than the standard porsche stuff?
 
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Is it or Royal Purple considered much better than the standard porsche stuff?
Personal preference.
 
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Reading these posts it doesn't seem uncommon on a modern 911, especially if you have a SSK as I do.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1067413

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1554288
 
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75/90 top brands are fairly indistinguishable i would imagine. i used redline 75/90 for years.

but once i installed an lsd its important to have gear oil without "friction modifiers' and for that, delvac is indeed the choice of most.
 
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OP, when you say Porsche fluid do you mean the work was done at a Porsche Dealer? Or was it done by an indy with what they consider to be Porsche "approved" fluid?

I know many are having excellent results with various gear oils like Delvac, Red Line, etc..so I'm not trying to change anyones mind Just going to share the info I found. I have heard it mentioned a few times from folks running gear oils other than the Porsche approved ones that they have to be a little careful shifting when cold and then once warmed up all is great.

I spent some hours doing research on this recently since I'm getting ready to do my trans & diff fluids. There are only 2 "approved" gear oils by Porsche and they are:

1) Mobilube PTX
2) Shell Spirax S5 ATE (formerly known as Shell Transaxle)

As far as I know these are the only 2. There is no approved list with a bunch of different options, just these two.

I am not a lubricant engineer!!! just looking at the numbers to see if there are any consistent differences between the two approved Porsche fluids and all the others.

If you take a look below you will see that the approved fluids (Mobilube PTX and Spirax S5 ATE) both have almost identical numbers BUT the other 3 as well as just about all the other 75/90's out there have HIGHER Kinematic Viscosity (cSt) numbers AND LOWER Viscosity Index numbers. Could these differences be why some folks running the non-approved gear oils have to be a little more careful when cold? Good question!!!

Mobil MOBILUBE PTX 75W-90 (Porsche approved)
Viscosity
cSt @ 40º C 77.6
cSt @ 100ºC 14.5

Viscosity Index 195
Flash Point, ºC 226
Pour Point, ºC -60
Density kg/m3 849

Shell Spirax S5 ATE 75W-90 (Porsche approved)
SAE J 306 75W-90 SAE Viscosity Grade
cSt @40 81
cSt @100 14.9

Viscosity Index 194
ISO 9262 35000 Dynamic Viscosity mPa s
0 3 ISO 12185 879 Density @15 C kg/m
0 ISO 2592 205 Flash Point (COC) C



Mobil Delvac 1 Gear Oil 75W-90
SAE Grade 75W-90
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 120
cSt @ 100ºC 15.9

Viscosity Index 140
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -48
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 205
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.86

Redline 75W90 NS GL-5 Gear Oil
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 94.5
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 15.6
Viscosity Index 176

Pour Point, °C -45
Pour Point, °F -49
Brookfield Viscosity @ -40°C, Poise 400 @-40°C
 
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Originally Posted by gophaster
OP, when you say Porsche fluid do you mean the work was done at a Porsche Dealer? Or was it done by an indy with what they consider to be Porsche "approved" fluid?

I know many are having excellent results with various gear oils like Delvac, Red Line, etc..so I'm not trying to change anyones mind Just going to share the info I found. I have heard it mentioned a few times from folks running gear oils other than the Porsche approved ones that they have to be a little careful shifting when cold and then once warmed up all is great.

I spent some hours doing research on this recently since I'm getting ready to do my trans & diff fluids. There are only 2 "approved" gear oils by Porsche and they are:

1) Mobilube PTX
2) Shell Spirax S5 ATE (formerly known as Shell Transaxle)

As far as I know these are the only 2. There is no approved list with a bunch of different options, just these two.

I am not a lubricant engineer!!! just looking at the numbers to see if there are any consistent differences between the two approved Porsche fluids and all the others.

If you take a look below you will see that the approved fluids (Mobilube PTX and Spirax S5 ATE) both have almost identical numbers BUT the other 3 as well as just about all the other 75/90's out there have HIGHER Kinematic Viscosity (cSt) numbers AND LOWER Viscosity Index numbers. Could these differences be why some folks running the non-approved gear oils have to be a little more careful when cold? Good question!!!

Mobil MOBILUBE PTX 75W-90 (Porsche approved)
Viscosity
cSt @ 40º C 77.6
cSt @ 100ºC 14.5

Viscosity Index 195
Flash Point, ºC 226
Pour Point, ºC -60
Density kg/m3 849

Shell Spirax S5 ATE 75W-90 (Porsche approved)
SAE J 306 75W-90 SAE Viscosity Grade
cSt @40 81
cSt @100 14.9

Viscosity Index 194
ISO 9262 35000 Dynamic Viscosity mPa s
0 3 ISO 12185 879 Density @15 C kg/m
0 ISO 2592 205 Flash Point (COC) C



Mobil Delvac 1 Gear Oil 75W-90
SAE Grade 75W-90
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 120
cSt @ 100ºC 15.9

Viscosity Index 140
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -48
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 205
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.86

Redline 75W90 NS GL-5 Gear Oil
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 94.5
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 15.6
Viscosity Index 176

Pour Point, °C -45
Pour Point, °F -49
Brookfield Viscosity @ -40°C, Poise 400 @-40°C
Thanks for sharing that. The fluid was bought by my specialist from Porsche directly. I've. Sen driving it today and it seems fine. I just think the guy wasn't used to the short shift which is a little more notchy than standard. When 'on it' you can change gears really quickly. May look into the 997 GT3 shifter mechanism.
 



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