sticky, we were using a Mustang AWD load bearing dyno. According to GIAC, a 32% correction factor should be used.

Therefore, our figure of 551hp is about 727hp.

On a DynoJet using a 20% correction factor, this equates to 606hp at the wheels.

 

Tyson:

Can you give me an idea what it would cost me to upgrade close to your car?

 

Hamann please check your pm's as well, I pm'd you a question and you never got back to me

Another question, how does the awd hold up with 600 @ the wheels?

 

Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.

 

You are entitled to your opinion, however, some people simply don't care about the road course or how long the car will last. I think some people want to get as much power as they can because that is what makes them happy. It is their car and they are free to do whatever they wany with it. Me, personally, if I just wanted a car to dominate on a road course I would pick up a gt3 or elise. I want a car that is comfortable, classy, and can put a smile on my face everyime I touch the accelerator. A 911 turbo with 600 rwhp would be what I would want.

 

Sticky, a 911 stage 4gt with good suspension will dominate both the GT-3 and elise on any decent sized track!

 

That is great, I am just saying not everyone cares about the roadcouse. We also have yet to see elise vs. 911 turbo on the track

 

This shootout did nothing to separate the cars in the
category of reliability. You can blow a motor with
less power added if you do it wrong, and this test
didn't show the Cargraphics motor is going to last
any longer than any other.
The lap trial was too uncontrolled and the least
prepared-for. Different tires, different drivers, most
with street allignments etc. If the car owners had
all spent 8 hours of track time with pyrometers and
a car setup guy to determine presures and settings
for the suspension etc, compared to the hundreds
of hours tuning motors, the lap times might be
way different.
'Dominate' is way too strong a word IMHO, unless
you decide that the one thing that car won is the
only thing that matters, and that all the ones it didn't,
don't matter, and you somehow know that a test that
wasn't made, longevity, would be won by your candidate.

I'll bet no one else will say the CarGraphics entry
dominated. Just my guess though...

 

Wow !!!

 

Amen! My sentiments exactly. The only thing I would add is that I would chose a GT3 cup car...

And I would chose it over the Elise for reliability reasons. The cup car is well proven and extremely reliable. I'm nervous about the reliability of anything made in Great Britain, or by a company formerly owned by Colin Chapman. Although he was truly innovative and a wonderful contributor to the racing community, reliability was never his forte.

As for the 600 rwhp 911 Turbo, a stripped down GT2 with 600 HP would be a hoot. But there's really no class in which it can currently run competitively (due to the rules makers and their disdain for turbos) - except maybe in one of the p-car racing organizations...

 

Crank up the boost, Run straight pipes, and tune the car for the dragstrip, and of course you'll dominate the dragstrip.

The Victor is clearly Cargraphics car, as PORSCHE is classified as a road course, road and track car. Hard to swallow, coming from someone who loves the dragstrip.

As far as the shootout, Actually I think it was more fun than anything, even reading live reports on this forum.

I am very pleased to see protomotive's car do 10.7 in the 1/4 with no internals. I THOUGHT the only car that can handle times like that running on a stock block was the modded Supra Turbo.

Roadcourse time involves more variables, therefore that should be a deciding factor in my O P I N I O N.

Shank you very much

 

Even though the roadcourse is important to you guys, quite frankly that is the easiest to do. Put a good set of suspension, some hoosers, breaks and a good corner balance and you are ready to go. Not a whole lot of engineering. Not like what Tyson and Wilbert have done as it relates to power.

Congrats Tyson & Promotive!!

MWEELS

 

.. And of course (no pun intended) it's all about the driver on the road track.

MWEELS

 

Huh? I don't think any of it is easy to do. But I can say from personal experience, setting a car up for a road course is not easy. If it were that easy, you wouldn't see F1 teams spending millions of dollars on testing, development, etc.

There's quite a bit of engineering required to build a successful road racing car. It's not like you could buy a set of coil overs off the shelf, slap on some off the shelf brakes, throw on sticky tires, and expect to win. It certainly won't happen that way in any half way competitive series. That's a sure recipe for disappointment.

P.S. Congrats to Tyson and Promotive are definitely in order.

 

Racer63,

I agree competly. But remember these cars are ment to take to the track and drive home and go out to dinner in. I think the balance is the key to all of this.

Did they do skid pad testing?

Wilber

You are now ofically a mad man!!

MWEELS