Ah, now that is the keyword.

I don't consider my clutch THAT bad and people can not even pull it out of the parking space. So it is all what you are use to.

In the old days when all we did was 930s, they were raw. People expected some quirkiness. We have now been spoiled by the new stuff, especially power assist clutches. Different world now and different expectations.

 

I would listen to Stevens advice on this subject. My observation is that you give up a lot to gain a little.
By this I mean, you reduce the rotating mass to transfer the potential, or inertial energy to driving the car and not the heavier DM fly.
In this gain there is a cost, it comes at the expense of more noise, and a car that requires a little more finesse to launch....
If in your instance the benefits outweight the cost's, then the LWFW and clutch is the way to go...otherwise a stocker w/lighter bits may be the compromise you are looking for.
Jay Putnam.

 

Ok I guess I will re disagree. I have the sachs clutch and LWFW. To anyone who drives a stick this exact set up is as close to normal to drive on the street as you can get. It is in no way like the all off or on of a race clutch. So driveablity on the street is NOT an issue. So look at the pros and cons. Pros you have a car with quicker acceleration and easier heel toe at the track with NORMAL street manners. The only con I can mention is that it is somewhat noisey. of course that mechanical car noise went into the pro category for me as well. So as others have said it just depends on what you are looking for. I just didnt want anyone to make a poor choice because they were afraid the car would not drive "normally" it does.
There are many threads about this topic on rennlist and many have gone to the same setup with virtually no complaints. I have personally talked to 5 before they changed and after all were happy.

 

Respectfully: Unless you have driven all the options a blanket statement here can not apply. I can guarantee you that the L/W setup is not exactly like factory. There are twice as many that have said it "takes getting use to" verses it feels like stock. I know what clutch you have and it is better than some of the options, but still does not have the docile behavior from idle that the setup I am suggesting has. How you interpret and drive a clutch will skew how you view it. Again, I have two cars in the shop that drive as normal as normal can be with L/W setups. They are back for a clutch upgrade because they DO NOT think it is drivable. This is the same setup you have. I can only wish my clutch was that compliant. Unfortunately what you have would blow apart in my car on the second burst on the on ramp.

As far as performance. Many of our cars run well ( in the 10s) so I can't say that other than personal feel there is HUGE benefit to the L/W setup. This is the same conversation I have with my 930 customers.

 

OK...my thoughts. I have the sachs stage 2 with LWFW. I agree 100% with Tom (which does not mean we speak for all of course). The clutch is easy to use for street (virtually no difficulty at all for me)...there is a slight sound when the clutch is let out sitting at the light, but really not disturbing. The performance I feel is much better in terms of responsiveness. This, like the SSK, is how this car should come IMHO.

 

Stephen:

Would you please post all the options available from the mildest to wildest and a personal comment in front on pro and cons? I have to make the right decision before taking the plunge as I'm sick of paying for stuff twice as I failed to choose the right at first time. I'm not really willing to give up much quietness and put up with silly and altered pedal take off heights...

 

what about SPEC clutches?

 

I had the sachs RS(964 and 993) clutch with the light weight flywheel(964 RS) that FVD sells... its a 1127 Nm clamping force... and It was just liek stock... I loved it... When we took it out it had nominal discoloring.. and thats after 50 1/4 mile runs... all I know is that it was a genuine sachs set up... and it didnt skip a beat.
Im sure Stephen knows exactly which one it is...

 

SPEC is having some legal problems. We use to work with them, but refuse to sell their product any more. I do not want to get into details.


Oh Yes, Markski....I know that one. The problem with the clutch game is there is no right clutch for everyone. If you call and say I need a clutch we chat, I look at what you need/want and go to my charts of clutches and disc we have tried. So in the end the clutch package is right for the use and for the owner.

 

Stephan, I think wross and I feel the same as do others with our set up. I totally agree with you and you are the expert. I was just trying to tell the poster and those in general in need of a new clutch to consider my set up as a very drivable option with a performance increase. I dont have the exposure to the number of those with a similar set up and I have to admit I am surprised at the number you have found who have not liked it. As you said to each his own. Thanks for all the pro advise.

 

You are welcome. I am surprised as well. But it falls under the category that I have with my wife and why I have been with her since I was 13. Just because she has a complaint and I think it is stupid or trivial does not mean that it does not exist for her and I have to see it with her eyes. The clutch is the same. While it seems pretty damn close to what I had as stock, some will not see it that way.

 

I must have been lucky cause my first after market clutch( and only one so far)... seems to be the smoothest thing out there... ( granted it has a little chatter.. but you get used to it.)
One has to realize that as with any performance racing part... you loose some degree of drivability.... and yet I believe sachs( at least the kit I have) is very close to stock drivability with the performance of a racing clutch.

 

I agree with Mark. Perhaps Mark, Tom and I got the only Sachs clutch that feels like stock, but performs much better with almost no down side.

 

I think you missed my point, anyway the setup works, as I have installed 50 if I've done one (LWFW/clutch), they are not even close to the same as stock. IMHO.
They are much (gear) more noisey, espescially when lugging the car. And not as forgiving as the stock when it comes to engagement.
Having said that, the Sachs Engineering clutch set up is awesome and so are some of the other setups that are available, but they are different, very different....

 

Ive been hearing form guys that they cant even pull out of the drive way without stalling.. and they have some sort of sachs... makes me believe that there are many different sachs combos and or custom combinations that can be put together.... I can say with certainty that my wife can drive the porsche even with the sachs 1127 NM pressure plate... at least the one I have works and Ive had it for 30K miles.