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996tt-Is this the last tuner friendly turbo?

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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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What do you guys mean?? I'm with ECB... Our ECU Level 1 tuning is in its final stages of testing as well on the 997TT. The program is done, just doing some final testing and its good to go... Numbers I am hearing from Germany are 50HP+ with ECU.
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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Looks like I'm not the only one with a love for STG3 S4's!
 
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Looks like I'm not the only one with a love for STG3 S4's!
Nope! APR stage 3 here. ALL the RS4 stuff including I/Cs, Y-pipe, the whole nine. Just need the engine mounts. AWE DTS is a another great mod.
 
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I went wtih RS4 Engine mounts and Tranny mounts. AWE DTS is a great mod which improved the feel of my car substantially. APR's kit is real strong. Love my S4... I tell people it's like my 996TT except with 4 doors...
 
Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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So outside of changing he exhausts and exhaust cam what is there? The cams and intercoolers really aren't a very good bang for the buck mod. I don't see any alternative turbo's. The ECU tuning just doesn't seem to be there with the turbo's. And the handling department mods really appear to be a can a worms.

Does anyone believe a tuned 997tt can hold a candle to a tuned 996tt?
 

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cjv
So outside of changing he exhausts and exhaust cam what is there? The cams and intercoolers really aren't a very good bang for the buck mod. And the handling department mods really appear to be a can a worms.

Does anyone believe a tuned 997tt can hold a candle to a tuned 996tt?
the car just came out, what do you think the answer is? The car w/ 6 months (if that) worth of development, or the one w/ 5+ years? Give it time, you should be the first to know things don't happen right away. Was a stage 5 kit available for the 996 right after it came out? Took quite awhile.
 

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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the car just came out, what do you think the answer is? The car w/ 6 months (if that) worth of development, or the one w/ 5+ years? Give it time, you should be the first to know things don't happen right away.
Well time will tell. I don't see there being a demand for people going out and spemding their money to remake items like the variable turbo with the gas motor.
 
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Well time will tell. I don't see there being a demand for people going out and spemding their money to remake items like the variable turbo with the gas motor.
of course there will be (as you noticed 9ff already said they have larger VGT turbos). Do you really think people aren't going to want to have an all out 997TT? That's like saying "who is going to want to mod a watercooled porsche" It just took a little while for the tuners to adapt. You really think guys like Stephen, Evo, etc are just going to not spend anytime on these 997TT's?


Time will tell, but I think time will prove the 997TT in some time is going to be a beast.
 

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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Agreed.

However, I will stick to my air cooled cars

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Originally Posted by HotRodGuy
of course there will be (as you noticed 9ff already said they have larger VGT turbos). Do you really think people aren't going to want to have an all out 997TT? That's like saying "who is going to want to mod a watercooled porsche" It just took a little while for the tuners to adapt. You really think guys like Stephen, Evo, etc are just going to not spend anytime on these 997TT's?


Time will tell, but I think time will prove the 997TT in some time is going to be a beast.
 
Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by HotRodGuy
of course there will be (as you noticed 9ff already said they have larger VGT turbos). Do you really think people aren't going to want to have an all out 997TT? That's like saying "who is going to want to mod a watercooled porsche" It just took a little while for the tuners to adapt. You really think guys like Stephen, Evo, etc are just going to not spend anytime on these 997TT's?


Time will tell, but I think time will prove the 997TT in some time is going to be a beast.
I would have to agree with you if Stephen or EVO were in the business of making the turbo's. They use Garrett turbo's and people like Garrett don't have variable turbo's. Now, in the race scene these turbo's work very well with diesels.

My opinion is the 997tt will make some progress, however the progress will no where approach what was done with the 996tt and the progress will come at an extreme price (cost).

Another thing to consider is units sold, despite many complaining about all the 996tt's that were sold, the fact remains had the car not attained it's popularity status, only a fraction would have been sold. The popularity is what helped develop products due to the fact there was a large market and the profit potential was there.

We will see how tuner friendly the 997tt becomes. I wouldn't hold my breath.
 

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by HotRodGuy
of course there will be (as you noticed 9ff already said they have larger VGT turbos). Do you really think people aren't going to want to have an all out 997TT? That's like saying "who is going to want to mod a watercooled porsche" It just took a little while for the tuners to adapt. You really think guys like Stephen, Evo, etc are just going to not spend anytime on these 997TT's?


Time will tell, but I think time will prove the 997TT in some time is going to be a beast.
This car was a beast on introduction. My question is will it ever become as tuner friendly? Will it ever surpass the 996tt modified performance wise? Hey, different opinions are what makes for a horse race.
 
Old Oct 1, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodGuy
of course there will be (as you noticed 9ff already said they have larger VGT turbos). Do you really think people aren't going to want to have an all out 997TT? That's like saying "who is going to want to mod a watercooled porsche" It just took a little while for the tuners to adapt. You really think guys like Stephen, Evo, etc are just going to not spend anytime on these 997TT's?


Time will tell, but I think time will prove the 997TT in some time is going to be a beast.
I agree 100%. It will take some time however. I bet there will be VGT elimination kits in the 997T's future as well. That puts it on par with the 996TT. The 997T comes with higher flowing intake and dual MAF which will help a lot.
 

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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I agree 100%. It will take some time however. I bet there will be VGT elimination kits in the 997T's future as well. That puts it on par with the 996TT. The 997T comes with higher flowing intake and dual MAF which will help a lot.
There is no doubt there has been some improvements. Tuners introduced higher flowing intakes to the 996tt a long time ago starting with Ruf. I don't believe the 997tt's intake to be superior to some of them. More complicated .......... yes. Better all around driveable ............. yes. Better ultimate performance ............ no. As for the MAF, yes this has been a weak spot for the 996tt, however recently, this like other issues seem to have been resolved.

With the information Kevin has provided I don't believe the 997tt really has much of a future other than as a gentleman's sports car. Something like the Aston Martin.
 

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993 to 996 was a huge drastic change. 996 to 997 not really. Just enjoy your 650HP+ car and call it a day. Some people always have to have the "newest." We all know the newest isn't always the best choice!
 


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