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996tt-Is this the last tuner friendly turbo?

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Old Oct 3, 2006 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cjv
K24madness,

Are you aware of VTN turbo's used anywhere in racing other than Audi with there diesel? I just don't see the demand for the gas motor. Let's talk about it in 2008.

Back at S Car Go? Haven't been there for quite awhile. I guess I could go just about anytime.
Chad,

The theroy and design is solid. It offers the best of both worlds when it comes to turbine sides. The size of the turbo used in the 997 is questionable. Like most OEM designed turbos it's size is less than optimum.

I would not be supprised to see 993's & 996tt's fitted with VTN's once size options become greater and a good boost control unit is available. This is the future and it offers a very wide power band when configured correctly.

If a company like Apexi builds a boost controller like the AVC-R for the VTN turbos and the aftermarker responses with larger turbo options for the 997 cross fitting will be a breeze.

The major limiting factor is the inabilty of current materials used to withstand the high EGT's of a performance gas motor. That will continue to change with time.

We have yet to get together. My 993tt project is going great. It would be great to finally sit down and chat.

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Old Oct 3, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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good post Tom
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
So outside of changing he exhausts and exhaust cam what is there? The cams and intercoolers really aren't a very good bang for the buck mod. I don't see any alternative turbo's. The ECU tuning just doesn't seem to be there with the turbo's. And the handling department mods really appear to be a can a worms.

Does anyone believe a tuned 997tt can hold a candle to a tuned 996tt?
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 01:50 AM
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I predict the 996tt's will have cult statis in the future due to the amounts produced and the huge support base of tuners and owners. Mines a keeper, not many vehicles can do all the things the 996tt can and still be pragmatic.
 
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I had a chance to sell my 01tt with 650 hp at the time... but no I decided to keep it and just put 1000 hp under hood...
 
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I predict the 996tt's will have cult statis in the future due to the amounts produced and the huge support base of tuners and owners. Mines a keeper, not many vehicles can do all the things the 996tt can and still be pragmatic.
I think exactly the same thing. The 993TT has a "cult" following for a different reason. It was a lower production car but also the last of the air-cooled etc... The 996TT will likely be the "Supra" of the Porsche world Or Poopra...

Glad you didn't sell yours a while back. Was worried about you there....

PS 997TT? You NEED one.
 
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yes, thanks to you sharkdude. the 996tt is quickly on it's way to cult statis!
 
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Originally Posted by carendt242
obviously, car manufacturers have every incentive to use technology to limit the amount of work you can do on your own car. i don't agree w/ it but they want/need the service revenue.

while the 996tt is moddable, i surely wouldn't call it a tuner's car. your average joe can't go out and modify it. and it takes some fairly big bucks to get, say, 700hp.

my 98 supra was the last of the do-it-yourself type cars. each generation of cars thereafter will only get more & more difficult thanks to our friend technology (and the large companies polluting our planet.)

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Even more correct... The Supra has AEM and other endless nifty controls that allow you/the tuner to get into the nitty gritty. It has relatively easy access to the motor etc... The 996TT has effing PSM (thanks!) and what was until the 997TT ECU, the most crazy-bizaare "control freak" of an ECU ever construed. This is why to this day there are only a handful of people that can actually tune it.
 
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Originally Posted by oak
yes, thanks to you sharkdude. the 996tt is quickly on it's way to cult statis!
It was and forever will be down-right ghetto. I brought the 996TT down to my level baby. At least people don't laugh when the see a 996TT at a drag strip anymore. Unless they see it's a tip
 
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So I guess I'm crazy to go from a 996tt to 997tt being the crazy power hungry freak that I am??
 
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So I guess I'm crazy to go from a 996tt to 997tt being the crazy power hungry freak that I am??
too soon... for power upgrades that is.... Todd K doesnt like the 997tt either.. he said that the 996tt is the one to mod... we will see.. with time...
 
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
So I guess I'm crazy to go from a 996tt to 997tt being the crazy power hungry freak that I am??
You're crazy because you're crazy and not because you want a 997TT It's a great car by all means it's just not yet as tweakable...
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
too soon... for power upgrades that is.... Todd K doesnt like the 997tt either.. he said that the 996tt is the one to mod... we will see.. with time...
Todd K doesn't like you either But yeah I think we all feel the same way. It's like there's a really nice looking woman (the 997TT) in front of you but she's a devout Catholic and has a chastity belt on her and the only way to get it on is to get the key off of her 350 pound UFC heavy weight champion Older brother who suffers from paranoia.
 

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LOL your analogies are endless...
that's why VRalexander passed on the 997tt. he drove it and was not impressed. I agree with him that if they went with 3.8 liter then maybe... Todd K looked into modding it extensively and concluded the same as you....
 
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
LOL your analogies are endless...
that's why VRalexander passed on the 997tt. he drove it and was not impressed. I agree with him that if they went with 3.8 liter then maybe... Todd K looked into modding it extensively and concluded the same as you....
Pulled my deposit back as well.. in favor of the GT3-RS. Not even sure on that one either to be honest. Porsche focused too much on changing the appearance and interior instead of going the extra mile with the motor. Sure slapping on the VTG turbos seemed like a great idea (not that we use diesel) and maybe in the future it will be more viable, reliable, repeatable/consistent but for now it's none of those whenever I've driven them. I personally think they want a lil' too far on the sizing as well. Yes VTG cuts down on lag but have you seen the exhaust side? Holy lag baby.

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