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20-30hp that an 06' has over an 04-05' is know where near bus lengths
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Originally Posted by allanlambo
Several things you forget, first and foremost, an 06+ Gallardo will pull BUSLENGTHS on an 04-05 Gallardo.
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Originally Posted by allanlambo
My friends bone stock Gallardo SE Egear pulled the Murci also.
Sheeeet, I bet your friend with the Murci was pissed. That is something you dont hear everyday that a G car beat a Murcielago. WOW I am amazed.
Why would anyone buy a Murcielago then? It cant be just the scissor doors if in the performance arena it is beaten by a "younger" brother. It would be like a stock 996tt beating a 996GT2, that would be pretty stupid if you ask me.
I thought the Murci's were Lambo's top dog! I guess not.
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Originally Posted by allanlambo
Several things you forget, first and foremost, an 06+ Gallardo will pull BUSLENGTHS on an 04-05 Gallardo. And 2nd, you cannot compare a Murcielagos trap speed that was achieved by a magazine editor or tester over the course of a few runs, to what people are running with thousands of miles of experience behind the wheel of their own car. 3rd, times and mph very greatly from place to place due to the DA levels. For example the 10.85@129.5 that Ranger ran in his C6 Z06 at 800 below sea level would be impossible to achieve in AZ where the DA level under optimum conditions is 1280.
As far as the Murci, magazine times are typically *faster* than the times achieved by car's owners. Sure, a few drivers will beat magazine times...but not most. Heck...Motor Trend ran a 12.1 @ 116 in a stock GT3. I've never seen any GT3 owner come close to that mark.
Plus...we're looking at Trap Speed here, not E.T. Trap Speed is a function of power and weight *much* more than it is the driver. Any novice driver can hit a car's best Trap Speed. It's E.T. that takes skill.
I found (3) 1/4 mile runs for Murcis'. One of them was by a magazine, one was by a owner, and I'm not sure about the other one (could be a magazine). The locations aren't specified, but I'm sure they all were not ran in AZ.
2004 Murcielago: 12.6 @ 116 (probably a owner since that's a horrible time): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3295.html
2002 Murcialago: 11.9 @ 122.8 (driver = Mr.J): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-2307.html
2002 Murcielago: 11.7 @ 122.6 (probably a magazine):http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3183.html
Just for fun, let's throw in a LP640. At 11.8 @ 124, it isn't much quicker: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...lip-10777.html
Now, I'm open to the possibility of some owners running quicker times than these in their stock Murcis...but I just haven't been able to find them. If you can show me some quicker times, Allan, I'd be greatful.
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
It seems you skipped right on by the part about the video of the Stage 2 hammering the Gallardo. I can post it again if anyone wants to see it. I'd day that pretty much answers the mail regarding that subject.
As far as the Murci, magazine times are mosly *faster* than the times achieved by car's owners. Sure, some drivers will beat magazines times...but not most. Heck...a magazine ran a 12.1 @ 116 in a stock GT3. I;ve never seen any GT3 owner come close that mark.
Plus...we're looking at Trap Speed, not E.T. That is a function of power *much* more than it the driver.
I found (3) 1/4 mile tiems for Murcis'. One of them was by a magazine, one was by a owner, and one I'm not sure about the other (could be a magazine). The locations aren't specified, but I'm sure they all weren't ran in AZ.
2004 Murcielago: 12.6 @ 116 (probably a owner since that's a horrible time): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3295.html
2002 Murcialago: 11.9 @ 122.8 (driver = Mr.J): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-2307.html
2002 Murcielago: 11.7 @ 122.6 (probably a magazine):
http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3183.html
Just for fun, let's throw in a LP640. At 11.8 @ 124, it isn't much quicker: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...lip-10777.html
Now, I'm open to the possibility of some owners running quicker times than these in their stock Murcis...but I just haven't been able to find them. If you can show me some quicker times, Allan, I'd be greatful.
As far as the Murci, magazine times are mosly *faster* than the times achieved by car's owners. Sure, some drivers will beat magazines times...but not most. Heck...a magazine ran a 12.1 @ 116 in a stock GT3. I;ve never seen any GT3 owner come close that mark.
Plus...we're looking at Trap Speed, not E.T. That is a function of power *much* more than it the driver.
I found (3) 1/4 mile tiems for Murcis'. One of them was by a magazine, one was by a owner, and one I'm not sure about the other (could be a magazine). The locations aren't specified, but I'm sure they all weren't ran in AZ.
2004 Murcielago: 12.6 @ 116 (probably a owner since that's a horrible time): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3295.html
2002 Murcialago: 11.9 @ 122.8 (driver = Mr.J): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-2307.html
2002 Murcielago: 11.7 @ 122.6 (probably a magazine):
http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3183.html
Just for fun, let's throw in a LP640. At 11.8 @ 124, it isn't much quicker: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...lip-10777.html
Now, I'm open to the possibility of some owners running quicker times than these in their stock Murcis...but I just haven't been able to find them. If you can show me some quicker times, Allan, I'd be greatful.
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Originally Posted by allanlambo
Also these times are hardly accurate:
9.2 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Ferrari F430
10.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.1 - Lamborghini Murcielago
12.2 - Porsche 996 TT
For example, a Murcielago will not only destroy, it will OBLITERATE a Challange Stradale from a roll, and from my own experience, racing my buddies 435rwhp (dyno verified 430 F1) in my bone stock 02 Murci in a similar race 50-140mph, the Murcielago beats the 430 by 1 1/2 cars repeatedly. This was also verified against SRG's 430 Spider, which did have exhaust, but being a spider weighs something like 70lbs more than the Coupe. Lastly, the Murcielago is faster from a roll than the Diablo 6.0. This has also been verified repeatedly.
9.2 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Ferrari F430
10.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.1 - Lamborghini Murcielago
12.2 - Porsche 996 TT
For example, a Murcielago will not only destroy, it will OBLITERATE a Challange Stradale from a roll, and from my own experience, racing my buddies 435rwhp (dyno verified 430 F1) in my bone stock 02 Murci in a similar race 50-140mph, the Murcielago beats the 430 by 1 1/2 cars repeatedly. This was also verified against SRG's 430 Spider, which did have exhaust, but being a spider weighs something like 70lbs more than the Coupe. Lastly, the Murcielago is faster from a roll than the Diablo 6.0. This has also been verified repeatedly.
Out of curiosity, Allan, has it ever occured to you that if Lambos were actually as fast as you consistently claim them to be, you wouldn't have to work so hard to prove it? That maybe there would be numbers and/or videos out there that support your claims about Lambos like there are for all other fast cars? Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Out of curiosity, Allan; has it ever occured to you that if Lambos really were as fast you conistently claim them to be, you wouldn't have to work so hard to prove it? That maybe there would be numbers that support your claims about Lambos like there are for all other fast cars? Just a thought.
Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
There's a video on this forum of a Stage 2 TT hammering a Gallardo from a roll. The Gallardo got the jump, and even started in a better gear. I can't imagine an exhaust on the Gallardo making up that much of a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by acs-3
Link of the vid please....
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30904&highlight=gallard o+stage
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Video of EVOMS Stage 2 TT vs Gallardo. TT is camera car. Gallardo gets jump:
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Video of EVOMS Stage 2 TT vs Gallardo. TT is camera car. Gallardo gets jump:
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
Good find, now THAT'S bus lenghts !
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Video of EVOMS Stage 2 TT vs Gallardo. TT is camera car. Gallardo gets jump:
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
http://media.putfile.com/EVO-STG2-vs-Gallardo
If you think that the guy in the Gallardo is really driving it well, you are on crack, just from the sound of the motor you can hear it bogging down. Today, we will go get some roll ons of my G vs the Stage 5 996TT. I can gaurentee that even the outcome of that, will be NOTHING like the video you posted.
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
It seems you skipped right on by the part about the video of the Stage 2 hammering the Gallardo. I can post it again if anyone would like to see it. I'd say that pretty much answers the mail regarding that subject.
As far as the Murci, magazine times are typically *faster* than the times achieved by car's owners. Sure, a few drivers will beat magazine times...but not most. Heck...Motor Trend ran a 12.1 @ 116 in a stock GT3. I've never seen any GT3 owner come close to that mark.
Plus...we're looking at Trap Speed here, not E.T. Trap Speed is a function of power and weight *much* more than it is the driver. Any novice driver can hit a car's best Trap Speed. It's E.T. that takes skill.
I found (3) 1/4 mile runs for Murcis'. One of them was by a magazine, one was by a owner, and I'm not sure about the other one (could be a magazine). The locations aren't specified, but I'm sure they all were not ran in AZ.
2004 Murcielago: 12.6 @ 116 (probably a owner since that's a horrible time): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3295.html
2002 Murcialago: 11.9 @ 122.8 (driver = Mr.J): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-2307.html
2002 Murcielago: 11.7 @ 122.6 (probably a magazine):http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3183.html
Just for fun, let's throw in a LP640. At 11.8 @ 124, it isn't much quicker: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...lip-10777.html
Now, I'm open to the possibility of some owners running quicker times than these in their stock Murcis...but I just haven't been able to find them. If you can show me some quicker times, Allan, I'd be greatful.
As far as the Murci, magazine times are typically *faster* than the times achieved by car's owners. Sure, a few drivers will beat magazine times...but not most. Heck...Motor Trend ran a 12.1 @ 116 in a stock GT3. I've never seen any GT3 owner come close to that mark.
Plus...we're looking at Trap Speed here, not E.T. Trap Speed is a function of power and weight *much* more than it is the driver. Any novice driver can hit a car's best Trap Speed. It's E.T. that takes skill.
I found (3) 1/4 mile runs for Murcis'. One of them was by a magazine, one was by a owner, and I'm not sure about the other one (could be a magazine). The locations aren't specified, but I'm sure they all were not ran in AZ.
2004 Murcielago: 12.6 @ 116 (probably a owner since that's a horrible time): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3295.html
2002 Murcialago: 11.9 @ 122.8 (driver = Mr.J): http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-2307.html
2002 Murcielago: 11.7 @ 122.6 (probably a magazine):http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...slip-3183.html
Just for fun, let's throw in a LP640. At 11.8 @ 124, it isn't much quicker: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...lip-10777.html
Now, I'm open to the possibility of some owners running quicker times than these in their stock Murcis...but I just haven't been able to find them. If you can show me some quicker times, Allan, I'd be greatful.
You use dragtimes as a reference? A site where kids can post anytime theyd like? Unfortunately for me, most Lambo owners arent like myself, they wont go dragrace their cars, nor do they race them, so there isnt much data to support anything.
As for the Murci vs SE, the SE winning is not a bad thing. The Murci came out in 02, the SE in 06. The Murci was faster than the 04-05 Gallardo, now the LP640 is definitely faster than the SE.
Also, the time posted for the Lp640 is extremely slow. It is a low 11 sec, 128mph car. Its hitting 150mph almost 2 seconds faster than the Z06.
Originally Posted by allanlambo
If you think that the guy in the Gallardo is really driving it well, you are on crack, just from the sound of the motor you can hear it bogging down. Today, we will go get some roll ons of my G vs the Stage 5 996TT. I can gaurentee that even the outcome of that, will be NOTHING like the video you posted.