At the behist of my fellow rennlisters, i've had some sense knocked into me to sell my car and upgrade to a Turbo. Only caveat is i'm not a fan of AWD. If i was to convert it to RWD and lighten the car out substantially..and go thru my usual braindead process of changing everything on a car....will have a car comparable/better than the GT2?

What are the Differences between a Stock Turbo and a stock GT2 indepth. I know the Turbo and GT2 have different turbos..unless you get a Turbo with X50 which gives you the K24..but no point in that since i will probably ditch the stock turbos.

If i turn off PSM on a turbo...will it be off off..as in no intrusion to my automotive stupidty? or is it like the bastard BMW system which is still "on" and will come back in if it thinks you're about to die.

 

Well to answer your question in short, drive both! My turbo with RWD, no sunroof, suspension and sways and with alot of other stuff still felt totally different then even a stock GT2, its crazy the difference!

 

I'm sure most of the GT2 owners on here will probably say "no" to that last question.

My 2 cents (and yes, I have driven a GT2); mod for mod, it will never be "better" than a GT2. But comparable? If the TT has been properly modified and lightened...yes.

 

iLLM3....GT2 access in canada is...well....extremly limited. I've driven the turbo and while i don't mean to bash anyone's AWD..it was great but not my cup of tea.

So far I know tha the difference between the two cars is:

Turbo
K16 turbos
PCCB optional (not wanted)
Sunroof delete optional (hard to want...want this)
Different suspension geometry than GT2
PSM (damn you electronic gizmos)

GT2
K24 turbos
PCCB standard
no sunroof
gangster bodykit
aggressive track suspension
no electronic aids except for ABS (woohoo)

 

where does differece come from though? is it because the turbo is RWD and light? i'm sure at turbo could be made lighter and then converted to RWD and if you dial in the suspension you should (on paper) be able to duplicate the GT2's driveing style.

having said that....the price delta between a low end Turbo and a low end GT2 is about 30-40G's US i believe...question is whether or not its absolutly necessary to start out with a GT2 for a modification junkie such as myself.

 

Ahh i see, yea i would imagine its very hard to come by one there, even in NY i have seen one GT2 on the road ever!

All i have to say is the TT is obviously awesome, i was able to use its full power with PSM off and being RWD without any spinning or being scared, meanwhile in the GT2 with a supposed "less" power the back end just whips out in 2nd and sometimes 3rd...

Just the whole feel and experience is totally different, i mean i had both so these are my opinions. Both were awesome and i will not bad mouth my old turbo (which i was in last weekend and was nothing short of WOW'd, so damn fast for those K16's and handled well, not scary one bit) meanwhile in the GT2 i wouldnt have done half the stuff without being uncomfortable, and im not an in-experienced driver and use to wild cars (ex sc'd M3 )

 

Yes. That is 99% of the difference. Some GT2 owners will talk about other things (watch and see), but the weight difference and the fact that it's RWD are really the *primary* differences that you can feel.

My car's suspension has been dialed in and corner-balanced by the crew chief of a local Porsche race team....and even he says he can't tell the difference in handling between my car and a GT2. Other than he prefers my car's turn in a bit more.

Absolutely. That is *exactly* why I went with a TT. I knew I was going to end up modifying it heavily, and a similar mileage GT2 would have cost me an extra $50k at the time I bought my TT. It just didn't make financial sense to me knowing my needs.

But honestly, had a GT2 been only $10k or even $15k more (which would have covered the cost of upgraded brakes, tires, wheels and suspension that I needed for my TT)...I probably would've went with one instead.

 

Definitly appreciate the feedback, I think i understand the point you're trying to make but i'm just having such a hard time wrapping my head around it since i like to think of mods in a quantifiable mathematical way lol.

Other question is how resiliant is the 4WD system..i've been able to push my beloved 996 like it was supposed to be...and while i gave up drag racing after only making a few passes, i do hit the circuit frequently enough and would like the turbo to hold up to the environment.

 

Approx what is the weight difference of a GT2 vs. turbo off the showroom floor?

Glad to hear that

 

Well coming from a SC'd M3 that was relatively stripped of alot of weight/light and so on, the Turbo was a big soft mushy car to me lol, something had to be done. Scott can relate, he then upgraded suspension, went RWD and so on, and its a WORLD of a difference, but let me tell you, still a world of a difference then the GT2!

Of course you can save the money and mod to be like the GT2, even much better than a stock one. The GT2 has little to no sound deadening, no rear seats, different motor mounts, no sunroof and so on, its a raw and exhilirating ride, so similar to my old M3 and why i had to get one!!

BUT, if you like using every ounce of the cars power and capability, go for the turbo and mod it, the GT2 is very intimidating and can hardly be used ont he street like i did in my turbo being rwd and so on too! Also the 996TT doesnt have the rear diff!

 

App. 300-350 lbs.

 

I am a track newbie and can't imagine wanting to drive around without PSM. At that, the TTs PSM is fully defeated unless you are braking.

The TT PSM threshold is much higher than say an M3. But it would be nice to have a "track" mode. Now that is something the ECU tuners could give us.

 

F**K!
you could always add one in from Guard/powerhausII?

 

I have a better question, does a GT2 feel like a GT3 with TT power (X-50)????? I ask because I have driven a GT3 and not the GT2. The GT3 still felt better in turns than my Turbo with JIC, it felt like it really had a plant foot in the corners. It's really hard to even break the GT3 loose from my experience. I know you can break the GT2 loose with ease but does it plant itself like the GT3 and feel more raw.

Personally unless you are a professional racer, I like the way my AWD allows me to rocket out of corners. However that planted feeling is something I really desire.

 

Dez yes it feels like a GT3, just not AS nimble with turning because the widerbody and track, but a damn near identical feel