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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 09:48 AM
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Thanks Stephen, Dan,

Interesting to see what can be done with little time. From this I conclude that power is not as important as weight and good driving for these cars to be up there.

3000 lbs with Dan inside must be around the numbers posted earlier (close to 2800 lbs).

As far as gearing is concerned, what explains having done 150mph in 4 gears is therefore the higher rev limiter (8K+ RPMS). I am guessing there is also some work done on the valvetrain side to withstand this.

Smart setup!
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Originally Posted by Jean
Thanks Stephen, Dan,

Interesting to see what can be done with little time. From this I conclude that power is not as important as weight and good driving for these cars to be up there.

3000 lbs with Dan inside must be around the numbers posted earlier (close to 2800 lbs).

As far as gearing is concerned, what explains having done 150mph in 4 gears is therefore the higher rev limiter (8K+ RPMS). I am guessing there is also some work done on the valvetrain side to withstand this.

Smart setup!
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The rev limit was set at 7600 and I was on the limiter as I crossed the line - you can hear it in the video. 100% stock heads
 
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Todd, I hear the rev limiter a bit after seeing the numbers on the screen Maybe you had fatter tires (taller)..
Not that it matters though, other than regarding the stock valvetrain reliability for a customer car.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Craig,
this has been a mystery to me becasue a truck stop scale showed 3080 lbs. and Todd K ( when he corner balanced the car) resulted in 3280 lbs.( no driver)
I only took out the carpets with side panels, put in gt3 seats, and took off front and rear bumpers...( Im also RWD). I put back front and rar sway bars and our axles added another 60 lbs.
The interiror is at most 120 lbs. bumpers I believe 10 lbs each plus the bumperettes about 6 lbs each. GT3 seats saved me maybe 40 lbs.
all this was on stock rims and stock brakes.
I am confident that my car weighs 3300lbs or more.
I have stock gears.
But in this game it does not matter nor is it an excuse. I know it is a good comparison between these 2 cars. we cut a 1.74 60ft. due to the axle issue... Todd cut a 1.59 60( from what I was told). that difference is about .3 seconds in ET. if true, assuming my calculations are correct, the extra 300 lbs is another .3 sec in ET. We ran the car at 19 PSI and shifter at 7500 rpms.
I am being hosest...nor am I looking for excuses... this is great info we all are sharing and in this case it is good to compare our cars.
Kudos to Evoms for a job well executed.
Mark
Thanks Mark. I think our cars may be closer in weight. Our body upgrades are the same (I think) Techart GTS front bumper, side skirts, rear bumper extensions and GT2 wing. I have all of the glass in the car and just removed the interior like yours. Everthing is still functional - lights, windows, etc. I could have the interior back in in a few hours. My car has no AC which is maybe 30-50 pounds max. I have all 4 of my porsche brakes, steering rack, Moton (road course) suspension w/ stiff springs, ETC. I am not trying to speculate nor start anything. We both have amagingly fast cars and we need to enjoy them.

I had no interior carpet nor door panels, bumper supports and 1 x GT3 seat with Porsche roll bar. My headliner and sunroof were still in the car as I want to drive and enjoy my car with the interior back in it next week
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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Todd,
I also left my roof lining in place... I also have the same roll bar. we ran 2 seats. I didnt want to take out the AC and the power streering... Im told thats another 150 lbs. I have JIC suspension with stock sway bars back in.
we ran some light 17s in the back but normal 993tt front rims.
Ill give it a whirl one more time... hopefully the clutch and the axles stay together....
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I didnt want to take out the AC and the power streering... Im told thats another 150 lbs. ....
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He said they took out the A/C and that it was 30-50lbs. They didn't remove power steering.
 
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Do it Mark, you deserve it. I would not have done this now if it wasnt for you. Your attempts and being on the edge drove us to this point. I appreciate your attempts and for pushing the envelope. It is all good and I am glad we push these cars hard and we can enjoy them and have them do things that they were not intended to do. Let me know if you need some axles. I and a few others have put them through hell. You will not break them. Lets talk next week. Todd
 
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Old Jun 10, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by WOODTSTER
Craig,

the biggest factor in running a GT800 in the 9's would be HOW MUCH weight
you can strip out of the car. JoeTwint's GT800 should be/is a good example
of that; very strong car (his), very good driver (him), good track (hell he lives in the mecca of good tracks), but his car is not light enough.
The silver test mule (yes "worlds quickest" 996TT!!) must have had
no interior I am guessing. I would think the door panels were gone, carpet,
passenger seat, etc, etc. This would not be considered a "fully equipped"
GT800 right?

MK
Well marty when I saw the EVO car trap 143 on that "crap" track in Arizona, I knew on a good track it'd pick up a few mph. Same with Joe's car. His was AWD and full weight and _still_ trapped 140mph up there which in my mind would mean around 143 or so on the East Coast and then when converted to RWD a la Marksi/Scott it should do about 145 or so....
 
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i Wish All Of You Guys Would Bring Those Hellish Turbos Down To Texas!!! Pasadena Is Calling You All To Break Records!!!
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congrats To All Those Who Are Pushing The Envelope..
 
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Originally Posted by Todd @ EVO
Guys,

Thank you for all of the support. I hate to pop in and pop out like this but I limited time to be on the computer until I get back to the office Monday in AZ. I am spending some much needed "Family" time and I promised my wife that I would not spend endless hours on the computer. I have not read through all of this yet to answer all of the questions but here are a few that I saw:

Gearing: 100% Stock 996TT Gearing
Weight: ~3000 pounds with me in the car. I will confirm and weigh the car when I get it back to the shop - IT IS NOT 2400 pounds like the speculations.
Motor Internals: ARP head studs, EVO head gaskets, Carrillo rods, GT3 oil pump. --(Stock heads/cams/pistons)--
Engine Components: 100% off the shelf EVO GT800 tuning system with higher rev limit - Bosch ECU - GIAC Tuned. ~ 25 PSI boost
Power: ~750 RWHP. I am not trying to be vague, however we only had time to put it on the dyno for a few pulls to check the AFR's and that was it. I will dyno it and post the results when I get the car back and on the dyno again.

Please keep in mind that this was a last minute hair brained idea that started out as a conversation with Joetwint and by the end of the conversation it was a plan that had no real planning put into it. I committed to have the cars in NY 2 weeks from when I hung up the phone. Our 996TT needed an engine and transmission and complete tuning system.

When I told John Bray (EVO's master tech) the plan, he looked at me and had one word: DONE! He walked away from me after that one word and started building an engine. Done? I was not sure what he meant but that translated into: I will get it done no matter what. I will not only have the 996TT ready but I will have the 997TT ready as well. John likes challenges and this one was no different than all the other challenges he has endured throughout the long affair with our 996TT. He and this car have a long history and he knew exactly what it needed to get the job done I have to go but I will try and read through the rest of the questions and get them answered when I can before Monday.
CONGRATS! THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE NEXT GT900 KIT?
 
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Originally Posted by Todd @ EVO
Guys,

Thank you for all of the support. I hate to pop in and pop out like this but I limited time to be on the computer until I get back to the office Monday in AZ. I am spending some much needed "Family" time and I promised my wife that I would not spend endless hours on the computer. I have not read through all of this yet to answer all of the questions but here are a few that I saw:

Gearing: 100% Stock 996TT Gearing
Weight: ~3000 pounds with me in the car. I will confirm and weigh the car when I get it back to the shop -

SNIP
So around 2,800 lbs without driver....stock gearing, built-bottom end, stock heads/cams, increased redline...running 1.7 BAR. Cool.

Thank you VERY much for the frankness, Todd...and once again, congratulations on the setting the new bar for our cars!


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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Craig,
this has been a mystery to me becasue a truck stop scale showed 3080 lbs. and Todd K ( when he corner balanced the car) resulted in 3280 lbs.( no driver)
I only took out the carpets with side panels, put in gt3 seats, and took off front and rear bumpers...( Im also RWD). I put back front and rar sway bars and our axles added another 60 lbs.
The interiror is at most 120 lbs. bumpers I believe 10 lbs each plus the bumperettes about 6 lbs each. GT3 seats saved me maybe 40 lbs.
all this was on stock rims and stock brakes.
As you and I both know, weight can vary tremendously with the scales used...but my car weighed 3,350 with a 1/2 tank of fuel on corner-balancing scales the other day without me in it. All I have that contributes to weight savings is RWD conversion, BBS RS-GTs', GT2 front brakes, spare tire, tools and rear seatback removal...

...but I also have 15 lbs of RUF spacers and a 27 lb Tequipment roll bar installed.

I will probably remove the passenger seat when I go to the track to mimic the weight saved with GT3 seats (which I might install)...so that would put me at around 3,500 lbs with me in the car on the dragstrip.
 
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My car weighed 3750 at the track with a full tank and some other stuff in the car (and I was in it also, 160lbs). Damnit I got a pig
 
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Originally Posted by 01TT
How much does the Camaro weigh?
~3100 with me in the car and a 15lb bottle. The car has a 3 gallon fuel cell for the motor and 1 gallon for nitrous. So I don't have fuel to weigh me down
 
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Originally Posted by Powell
~3100 with me in the car and a 15lb bottle. The car has a 3 gallon fuel cell for the motor and 1 gallon for nitrous. So I don't have fuel to weigh me down
Any vids of the Camaro running?
 


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