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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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Should I pass on this car???
 
Old Jun 20, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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I don't know about the car over all-

but the 20 type 2 revs are not in and of itself is not overly concerning (IMHO).

Here is what I did: Call the local P dealer who would be servicing the car, ask their opinion. I was looking at a car with a CPO that had 56 type 2s, my local service manager said 'that alone is not a problem, document when they occurred'.

Given the low number, I don't think the car has been abused.

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The PPI feedback is not too concerning but if I were you, I would keep on looking...there is no shortage of nice turbos to be had in a wide range of miles/options/conditions so finding one that is just right for you is just a matter of time.

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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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Are the techno wheels unidirectional?

The left side and right side of car seems to have different directions.

Flat side in front on one and slope side in front on the other side. Is this normal?
 
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do you want me to look at the car this weekend? if so, PM me
 
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Thank you Lizard1. That is very thoughtful. I just spoke to the dealer and bought the car. So it's official. I should have the car in about 10 days.
 
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Originally Posted by ard
I don't know about the car over all-

but the 20 type 2 revs are not in and of itself is not overly concerning (IMHO).

Here is what I did: Call the local P dealer who would be servicing the car, ask their opinion. I was looking at a car with a CPO that had 56 type 2s, my local service manager said 'that alone is not a problem, document when they occurred'.

Given the low number, I don't think the car has been abused.

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Type 2 over-revs are downshifting induced vs type 1 limited induced, right ? And you say that 20 is not abuse ? I've heard that in warranty coverage cases, a single type 2 can be grounds for declining responsibility.
 
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I'm guessing the X50 was the selling factor.....

I have the same exact car for sale on here for $66K https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...t=84057&page=2.......and it doesn't look like a 4 wheel drive truck (j/k)....but seriously, lower that damn thing when you get it.
 
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Type 2 over-revs are downshifting induced vs type 1 limited induced, right ? And you say that 20 is not abuse ? I've heard that in warranty coverage cases, a single type 2 can be grounds for declining responsibility.
ONE type 2 over rev that was logged the same hour the crankshaft broke and the engine blew up is grounds for denial.

OTOH, 20 or 50 type twos, PRIOR to the CPO inspection and many, many hour prior to any subsequent failure would not, according to my lcoal service manager. If you document the type 2s prior to the CPO (ie perhaps have

Other horror stories to be sure, just reporting what I was told.

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Thanks all, yeah the X50 was what got me. About the type 2's wish me luck.
They did buy me the extended warranty so we will see.
 
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at what RPM are overrevs recorded?
 
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 03:42 PM
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Talking to the tech that did the PPI on this car, there are several more overrev types (i.e. 2,3,4 and 5). He doesn't know the specific rpms.

But he replaced an engine on a 997 with a money shift resulting in a type 5 over rev.
 
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Originally Posted by ard
ONE type 2 over rev that was logged the same hour the crankshaft broke and the engine blew up is grounds for denial.

OTOH, 20 or 50 type twos, PRIOR to the CPO inspection and many, many hour prior to any subsequent failure would not, according to my lcoal service manager. If you document the type 2s prior to the CPO (ie perhaps have

Other horror stories to be sure, just reporting what I was told.

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I've read posts from people in NorCal whose warranty coverage has been declined on the simple grounds of tracking their cars. If the warranty claim is significant, I'd rather be on the conservative side.
Beside that, 50 type 2s sounds huge. Explanation I got is:
- type 1: bump into the limiter
- type 2: exceed limiter rpm (premature downshift or wrong downshift)
Curious to know that these type 3, 4 & 5 would be.
 
Old Jun 24, 2007 | 05:47 AM
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The number of type 2 represents the number of spark plugs firing in the range of rpms for type 2 rather than the actual numbers.

i.e. 20 = less than 7 revolutions on the engine. (6 firing being 2 revolutions)

at 7000rpm that is about 0.06 sec.
If the plugs fires at every TDC, then it's 0.03 sec

Or at least that's how it was explained to me.

But also curious to know the ranges or rpms for all overrevs.
 
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Had to stare at it a while ....

Originally Posted by mmmmm
What do you guys think of this 2003? Anyone knows this car in the Dallas area?

http://superior-leasing.ebizautos.co...0-1854983.html
Had to stare at the pictures a while to make sure this isn't my last X50 off of lease. It isn't: not enough mileage and wrong options.

- DME read isn't serious, but the REV2's will likely void the warranty for the transmission repair.
- I think you can do better for that price: more options ...
- The rims are not standard and quite hideous.
- Don't get sucked into the PPI myth. The primary reliability concern with 996TT's of any flavor is the weak transmission. PPI will not check this.
- I would recommend my last X50 off of lease. IT was ridden hard on the track, but it was treated well. And it has had the transmission replaced. Also modded to stage 2 ...
 
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