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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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yes but have to get your stock wategates cut in half to put in the springs...

I had mine done at speed gallery. It was a very noticebale improvement. That something's misssing feeling was fixed with the upgraded wastegate springs.

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Can I just get new wastegate springs wo replacing the wastegates? Other than that, all I have planned is diverter valves. Sounds like I might have to cowboy up and get an exhaust. Does the exhaust come with new wastegates?
 
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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Are new actuators with stiffer springs part of the wastegate assembly?
 
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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I just spoke with upsolute and they stated new wastegates are not needed...wtf?
 
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JNRSM3
it sounds like you probably already had a flashed ecu which means you were already boosting over 1 bar which explains why you aren't feeling much of a difference. flashing a stock ecu w/o upgrades should provide a very very noticeable difference.
Agree. I did an Upsolute flash, and intake for a few weeks before the exhaust. There was an obvious, and substantial difference in the way the car drove after the first two mods. Completely different car. Box stock, I saw .8 bar, and annoying turbo lag. After the chip 1.0 and 1.1 bar is the norm, and the car spooled up much quicker. After the exhaust, I now get 1.1, and even 1.2 on occasion. If you get 1.1, your gettgin what you are supposed to get.

One thing to note is that the Upsolute procedur requires that your installer describe your set up clearly so that the programmers in Austria can get the code right. it is always possible there was a miscommunication, or perhaps the installer reflashed with your old program by mistake. Of course, as someone said earlier, the car might have been flashed when you bought it.
 
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Originally Posted by sttjmk
Agree. I did an Upsolute flash, and intake for a few weeks before the exhaust. There was an obvious, and substantial difference in the way the car drove after the first two mods. Completely different car. Box stock, I saw .8 bar, and annoying turbo lag. After the chip 1.0 and 1.1 bar is the norm, and the car spooled up much quicker. After the exhaust, I now get 1.1, and even 1.2 on occasion. If you get 1.1, your gettgin what you are supposed to get.

One thing to note is that the Upsolute procedur requires that your installer describe your set up clearly so that the programmers in Austria can get the code right. it is always possible there was a miscommunication, or perhaps the installer reflashed with your old program by mistake. Of course, as someone said earlier, the car might have been flashed when you bought it.
Hey Sttjmk,
What color is your TTS, our cars look identical. Is your TTS Tiptronic because mine is. These are the identical numbers I am curently seing with my boost. I always see .8 with occasional 0.9 with stock to the bone set up but I do really hate my Turbo lag and it takes forever to kick in. How much faster your turbos spool after the flash? I am seriously considering getting a ECU upgrade in a few days but I can not decide which one to go with. I personally prefer getting a second ECU instead of flashing the stock one. In my 02 TT when I wanted my stock programming back the car never ran the same and now I decided not to mess with my stock one and get a saparete ECU box instead, your comments are appriciated on Upsolute Flash, thanks...
 
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Originally Posted by usarugger
I just spoke with upsolute and they stated new wastegates are not needed...wtf?
They are not but I can tell u for sure that there are better tuners with a lot more knowledge and understanding of the Ecu code that write better programs.... WGs, when set up properly and a ECu that is coded correctly can do magic....
good luck in ur quest for speed but I can only tell u that ur looking in the wrong place.....
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They are not but I can tell u for sure that there are better tuners with a lot more knowledge and understanding of the Ecu code that write better programs.... WGs, when set up properly and a ECu that is coded correctly can do magic....
Mark is 100% correct on this...I had a good tune and all the hardware, but when I got the wastegate kit...unleashed the beast
 
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Originally Posted by 996TTSCAB
In my 02 TT when I wanted my stock programming back the car never ran the same and now I decided not to mess with my stock one and get a saparete ECU box instead, your comments are appriciated on Upsolute Flash, thanks...
you might want to look into GIAC. They have a small unit that you can plug in and change the programming from stock to flashed any time.
 
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Originally Posted by 996TTSCAB
Hey Sttjmk,
What color is your TTS, our cars look identical. Is your TTS Tiptronic because mine is. These are the identical numbers I am curently seing with my boost. I always see .8 with occasional 0.9 with stock to the bone set up but I do really hate my Turbo lag and it takes forever to kick in. How much faster your turbos spool after the flash? I am seriously considering getting a ECU upgrade in a few days but I can not decide which one to go with. I personally prefer getting a second ECU instead of flashing the stock one. In my 02 TT when I wanted my stock programming back the car never ran the same and now I decided not to mess with my stock one and get a saparete ECU box instead, your comments are appriciated on Upsolute Flash, thanks...
My car is a black 6 speed. The flash enable the boost much sooner, can't remember exactly when in the RPM range, but it was obviously sooner. Tomorrow, I'll try to pay attention to th tach to see when the boost jumps. The gauge now jumps to 1.1 very quickly. I used to be able to watch the bar gauge go up progressively. After the flash, it jumps instead of sitting at 0.1-0.8 sequentially. The real way I know the boost is coming one much faster is this: On my way to get the flash installed, my brother drove with me in his 993tt. On the highway, he easily pulled away from me from 60-100, leaping forward after the third honk of the horn. I didn't catch up to him until well past 100mph, despite the fact that he had to shift more often(different gears). After the flash, that is no longer an issue. I have to admit I was skeptical because Upsolute flashes virtually every car out there, but have been very happy with the performance in my case, and have found the tune appropriate. I imagine that the aforementioned comments in this thread are right -- you probably get what you pay for. I would say that the finesse of the stock programme is gone, but so is the lag. By the way, I got 22.2 mpg yesterday on my way home (there was a lot of traffic volume that kept us cruising at 70-80mph.)
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wross996TT
Mark is 100% correct on this...I had a good tune and all the hardware, but when I got the wastegate kit...unleashed the beast
One other comment that is critical to what Markski, and wross996TT, have to say is that the support on the Upsolute option is a lot weaker. I have tried to figure out what they actually did on the flash. You know, I can tell the boost has been turned up, but what did they actually do to the timing, and fuel/air mix, etc? That has been hard to get. I still don't actually know. With the porsche experts, like the ones that show up all over this site, I'll bet you can get very straight answers. I figure when I move into my next stage, and cannot contain the mod bug any longer, I will need to reflash anyway.
 
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One other comment that is critical to what Markski, and wross996TT, have to say is that the support on the Upsolute option is a lot weaker. I have tried to figure out what they actually did on the flash. .
there are a few Evoms and Protomotive cars in ur neck of the woods... find them and run them.. then u will know what ur missing
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
there are a few Evoms and Protomotive cars in ur neck of the woods... find them and run them.. then u will know what ur missing
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Agree. It is just such a dangerous virus...once i know what I am missing, I get myself into trouble.
 
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x50 turbo lag observations post Upsolute

Originally Posted by 996TTSCAB
Hey Sttjmk,
...I do really hate my Turbo lag and it takes forever to kick in. How much faster your turbos spool after the flash? I am seriously considering getting a ECU upgrade in a few days but I can not decide which one to go with... your comments are appriciated on Upsolute Flash, thanks...


As mentioned in a previous post, I did some very unscientific experiments for those interested in info on the Upsolute flash on the way home today. Boost starts somewhere between 2500 and 3000 rpm. It really kicks in at around 3500 rpm. Once I get to full throttle, and I am over 3500 rpms, I get to 1.1 bar almost immediately. The gauge readings go 0.0, 0.4, 1.1. If the engine rpm's are at or above 3800, and I stomp, the first reading is 0.2-0.4bar, and then immediately jumps to 1.1 bar. I found these observations to be true in 3rd or 4th gear. I can't remember where in the rpm range the boost really kicked in when this was box stock. Hope this is helpful.
 
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truly, you would have to do the exhaust as well. remembering that the "boost" is how much the ECU allows the turbos to spool before opening the wastegates. car will likely boost the SAME since this is the "front" of the system. the probmen is that you need to let that extra air OUT of the car, and that only happens by freeing the exhaust system. since turbos are nothing more than exhaust-driven superchargers you can run 1.3BAR intake pressure depending on the software and the car will simply run like crap until you uncork the exhaust. many people have left the DV's stock but upgraded DV's certainly help you with responsiveness. with turbos it's all about flowing the maximum air THROUGH the motor while retaining maximum boost at the top of each compression stroke. doesn't get much simpler than that.
 
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Originally Posted by SpeedYellow
many people have left the DV's stock but upgraded DV's certainly help you with responsiveness.
The only reason to replace the stock DVs is because the stock ones (POS plastic) eventually disintegrate and the pieces end up in your engine. They are not a performance upgrade and do not change responsiveness. Wastegates...now that is a different story.
 


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