Denis, so you're saying that you can use a TT MAF and have the n/a software reconfigured, eliminating the need for a resistor..and that's a better way to do got about it. ? It sounds like a better way.

 

I didn't perceive his statement as being dick-ish [sic] at all.

I'm not trying to get involved in some fracas but going over a quickly typed entry with a virtual red pen, and then communicating the typos in a pedantic and condescending manner is less than civilized—which seems to be the point of your flamaente (pardon the run-on sentence).

 

exactly WHAT IM SAYING. Corvette guys have to do it with the z06 because the mafs are very touchy on those cars. ever more than p cars. This guy was slandering my company for fixxing dyno results for the IPD plenum. You may read the banter if you chose to, but trying to get to off topic on this thread. other supercharger kits are tried and true. I only have experience with the vf kit, but it appears there is alot of markup on the other kit because vivid is selling them pretty cheap on a group buy. This is why he may have seemed that i was being a dick to him. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ke-plenum.html

 

I question your use of altruism vs. capitalism and that verbiage. It is a bi-product of excellent engineering. That is obvious. They have one a few Rolex24's because of that effort. VF is strictly in the business of building and marketing SC systems to the JohnQ public. They are good at it as it is they're only market focus and position. Long before the EVO deal, they came in as a hard player to the BMW scene. They do a nice job but you have to relegate the difference between a full service race/performance shop vs. an internet marketing & sales organization. Neither product is terribly better or worse and I always get a rise out of the nut slinging and argumentative nature when this happens on the forums.

 

my comment was purely sardonic. of course no one is building for altruistic reasons.

 

its obvious both kits are effective. No since in pitting the 2 companies vs each other especially when one of them is not here to defend themselves or their product. Im the poster of this thread has as much information as they require

PS. us dumb pro import tuners are not used to such words as sardonic and altruistic. this sounds like a ferrarichat post

 

It is complete subjectivity and I will give you a great example that works for me.

I have a strong background with the Vortech and liked it very much when I had it. I had no issues and actually ran it out to 11.5psi; and quite honestly, I ragged every Porsche that got near me to include the Lambo & Ferrari crowd. I did however always get my *** handed back to me by a friend and his 1000hp ViperTT.

With that:

There are some, that insist to the death that the Vortech will run down the TPC morning, noon and night at the end of the line. My 996 with the TPC works best for me for the reasons that I use the car. It is far faster and has much more torque on the bottom end when I am autocrossing the car. Don't do that much but I do it. The motorsport tracks in Texas do not have the longest straights in the racing world and the one that do, I do well and walk most anything out there except a few of the lightweight cup cars. Again, a load of torque and early power works best for me in the given situation.


1999Porsche911

I have no doubt that you are probably a cool dude and all but you and I had a little tisk for task exchange about this a while back. I actually dropped out of the chat because I honestly have two companies to run and could not dedicate the time to arguing (and that is not saying you aren't just as busy or successful as well with your time)nor did I care to. I think the point is that there tends to be an argumentative posture from you once and a while and as you said, it just the internet and you don't always believe the **** or really care to listen to it. I would actually like to hear more about your car and some of the refinements on your SC system. I just don't want to argue about. It would be fun to check them out together one day. I grew up in Lake Forest (except I am not a pretentious ******* by any means; only thing me rents ever gave me was hard time(thats a north shore joke for you folks that have never been to Chicago)) and am in CHiTown many times a year.

As far as you guys slingin it (bad bad grammar) back and forth about punctuation and such, jeebusss (thats a word in some language ya know) give it a brake <<<(there I go again)!

Moral to the story:

Make a choice, get boost and have a good time.

 

I love revisionist history. Please point us to where I said, or anyone else said that you were "fixxing dyno results" and where there was any slander or even mention of your company. Seems to me, you need to take a reading comprehension course. Either that, are you are an outright liar. Which is it?

 

I want FI, just not at the expense of my warranty (which doesn't run out until 2011

 

Man... you guys are something. I just want to know what the bottom line is for the VF installed. I'm very familiar with TPC because their shop is in my area. After reading all of this mess without getting that answer, I think I deserve a discount whatever the price is.

My interest is improving my car. Nothing more... Nothing less...

 

The price for the VF installed is pretty much whatever you negotiate the price of the kit for, plus whatever your shop charges for labor. Figure around 15 hours for the VF kit. Closer to 25ish hours for the TPC. Make sure you figure in $500 for incidentals such as new spark plugs, a MAF, or coolant. Not saying you will need all of those things, but you may.

 

Your words
"It has already been proven by others and I have recently proven for myself that simply making the change from the stock intake to the RSS intake on an NA Porsche does not give the gains RSS claims no matter how much time you give the 996 computer to learn. I need no further evidence but will continue to point out that there are others who experience different results than all the cheerleaders on these threads.

If the quality of your dyno testing was similar to those that were posted by RSS, that may where your problems is. You should post the air/fuel ratio chart captured during your dyno tests. It will show all of us on this board exactly what a gimmick it is.

I find it so funny that no one, not RSS or anyone else can explain where the additional power comes from when in fact the intake has done nothing but change the velocity of the air passing into the intake. There is no increase in the amount of air getting to the engine as measured by the sensor. I guess some people don't like to hear experiences contrary to what they believe.

I can and have gotten 20+ hp more out a stock 996 by installing a 50 cent resister.

Voodoo is still probably the best word to explain this awesome power increase. But, if you THINK you got more power, then you should be happy."

If the quality of my dyno tests were similar to the ones posted by RSS.......uh ALL RSS IPD plenum numbers were on my dyno ....i think my reading conprehension is fine.

 

Gets like a bunch of 8th grade girls in here sometimes doesn't it?

 

Denis GTPro......

Hate to bust your ***** in the middle of an already full on attack, but you should consider becoming a site sponsor before representing yourself, company and url link. Sorry to go off topic.

Let the nut kicking continue...

 

So, where is the problem? If your tests were those posted on their video, they were done with little attention paid to control of the environment. No question about it. That is, unless you don't believe moving the fans around effect dyno results as does tire temperature and the temperature of the gear lube, oil, etc which continues getting warmer for approximately 30 - 45 minutes after engine shut down.

We got quite a different result when ALL variables were monitored for temperature and ensuring that the engine was tested under identical conditions.

Using the methods illustrated in those videos, anyone could change the power produced on the dyno of any car, with or without mods.


Running a dyno test takes more than simply driving a car onto the rollers and connecting a computer. Most customers will accept the results without question. Few people that I know even attempt to eliminate any of the several variables that are criticle to get accurate results. Transmission lube temperature can make as much as a 5% difference in results. This fact alone may account for most of the gains you show.