Rms Probability?
Rms Probability?
There have been a lot of threads on this topic here and other sites. What is the likelihood that this will happen to my car? I have a MY2003. My dealer claims that Porsche have corrected the flaw. Is this true?
I am very concerned because I only will put about 5K miles per year. Should we/I consider dumping the car before the warranty expires?
I am very concerned because I only will put about 5K miles per year. Should we/I consider dumping the car before the warranty expires?
They have not fixed it. The dealer is just flat out wrong.
Hard to say what the odds are, but based on the forums I visit, it appears to be about 1 in 7?
Ask for it in writing that they fixed it, and ask the dealer that if they believe that's true to guarantee in writing that even out of warranty, they would fix the common RMS leak problem if it happens. lol
Hard to say what the odds are, but based on the forums I visit, it appears to be about 1 in 7?
Ask for it in writing that they fixed it, and ask the dealer that if they believe that's true to guarantee in writing that even out of warranty, they would fix the common RMS leak problem if it happens. lol
Even if you don't get an RMS leak, there are still several other sites on the engine that can pose a potential threat of a leak. I've heard of leaks from the IMS to the camcovers to the flywheel seal... If you take all these into account, I think that the overall leakage rate may be more like 30-40%. Just through communications on this board, it really seems that a lot of folks are having such leakage issues. But if you get these fixed correctly, it seems that the repairs are pretty durable. It took them 3 times to fix my IMS leak, but since the correct fix, there have been no leaks (knock on wood).
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Last edited by ericdee; Mar 12, 2004 at 12:46 AM.
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I always ask how much all repairs cost whenever I take my car in to the dealership, even though I'm still under warranty. This gives me a general idea of how much things will cost once I'm out of the warranty period. For instance, the two separate times I had my IMS seal fixed, it would have cost me $900. After they figured out the real problem and ordered various new parts to replace the IMS bearings, seal, and housing (which took 2.5 weeks total), the cost was almost $4000 including labor. Ouch...
Funny you guys mentioned this. My clutch has been slipping recently and I took the car to the dealer this morning.
I have 20k mile on the car (996 C2 2000) and the warranty runs out this coming April.
They told me (this afternoon on the phone) the problem could be your clutch but you have to pay for it, $1600.
They told me it all depends on your driving habit like your break pads it is not covered under warranty. Mind you this car has been driven only 4 to 5 miles on daily basis and never been tracked. They tell me you may be driving it very harsh (which to me sounded like big time BS).
When I told them I had more miles on my previous Porsches and never had any issues like this at all. Are you ready for this the freaking guy tells me may be your Aero Kit has been the cause of this because you didn't have them on the other cars. Can you believe this load of crap
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So I guess I'm going to call PCNA see what they suggest.
I have 20k mile on the car (996 C2 2000) and the warranty runs out this coming April.
They told me (this afternoon on the phone) the problem could be your clutch but you have to pay for it, $1600.
They told me it all depends on your driving habit like your break pads it is not covered under warranty. Mind you this car has been driven only 4 to 5 miles on daily basis and never been tracked. They tell me you may be driving it very harsh (which to me sounded like big time BS).
When I told them I had more miles on my previous Porsches and never had any issues like this at all. Are you ready for this the freaking guy tells me may be your Aero Kit has been the cause of this because you didn't have them on the other cars. Can you believe this load of crap
.So I guess I'm going to call PCNA see what they suggest.
Originally posted by mffarrell
I bought a new MY2003 can last Nov. This RMS issue makes me think that I should have kept my 95 993 and not bought the 996.
I hope i didn't pay $90K plus for a lot of trouble ahead.
I bought a new MY2003 can last Nov. This RMS issue makes me think that I should have kept my 95 993 and not bought the 996.
I hope i didn't pay $90K plus for a lot of trouble ahead.
Don't the 993's have big problems too?
like the heads, engine wiring harness... and my favorite, the exploding rear window.
Last edited by ericdee; Mar 12, 2004 at 04:53 PM.
Anyone thinking 1/7 chance of RMS failure better think again. RMS is happening at all sort of mileage. Those who drive their vehicles the least are MOST likely to experience the problem after warranty has expired. Porsche may know what is going on but they are NOT telling us. In fact, those who think that by having the seal replaced once they are covered, think twice! Porsche claims that they have come up with a way of determing whether you need a new seal or a new engine by checking some diameters. Do not believe it! A new seal may give you a few extra thousand miles leak-free, but does NOT guarantte that the problem has been solved. I do not think that Porsche is telling us the truth!
How much for the repair? About $800-$1000 for replacing the seal only! You may need to do it agian, though. The truth is Porsche does NOT have a good handle on the problem as of today (at least if they know, they are NOT telling us)! Moreover, you may need a new engine and then you are talking about US$8-10K! And... if you get a rebuilt engine, you could still end up with a leaking RMS seal later!!
Those of us who keep silent about this problem are NOT helping. Porsche is keeping silent about a real problem. This is a major issue!
The way for Porsche to get the message is by people refusing to buy these vehicles without a written confirmation that Porsche will own up this design/manufacturing problems for say up to 100k miles. Buyer beware!
How much for the repair? About $800-$1000 for replacing the seal only! You may need to do it agian, though. The truth is Porsche does NOT have a good handle on the problem as of today (at least if they know, they are NOT telling us)! Moreover, you may need a new engine and then you are talking about US$8-10K! And... if you get a rebuilt engine, you could still end up with a leaking RMS seal later!!
Those of us who keep silent about this problem are NOT helping. Porsche is keeping silent about a real problem. This is a major issue!
The way for Porsche to get the message is by people refusing to buy these vehicles without a written confirmation that Porsche will own up this design/manufacturing problems for say up to 100k miles. Buyer beware!
Don't the 993's have big problems too?
like the heads, engine wiring harness... and my favorite, the exploding rear window.
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Last edited by ericdee on 03-12-2004 at 11:53 PM
I never had any problems with my 95 993 cab. I bought it new. Porsche had a recall on the wiring harness after my car was years out of warranty, but it was at no cost.
like the heads, engine wiring harness... and my favorite, the exploding rear window.
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Last edited by ericdee on 03-12-2004 at 11:53 PM
I never had any problems with my 95 993 cab. I bought it new. Porsche had a recall on the wiring harness after my car was years out of warranty, but it was at no cost.
Originally posted by nicoff
Anyone thinking 1/7 chance of RMS failure better think again. RMS is happening at all sort of mileage. Those who drive their vehicles the least are MOST likely to experience the problem after warranty has expired. Porsche may know what is going on but they are NOT telling us. In fact, those who think that by having the seal replaced once they are covered, think twice! Porsche claims that they have come up with a way of determing whether you need a new seal or a new engine by checking some diameters. Do not believe it! A new seal may give you a few extra thousand miles leak-free, but does NOT guarantte that the problem has been solved. I do not think that Porsche is telling us the truth!
How much for the repair? About $800-$1000 for replacing the seal only! You may need to do it agian, though. The truth is Porsche does NOT have a good handle on the problem as of today (at least if they know, they are NOT telling us)! Moreover, you may need a new engine and then you are talking about US$8-10K! And... if you get a rebuilt engine, you could still end up with a leaking RMS seal later!!
Those of us who keep silent about this problem are NOT helping. Porsche is keeping silent about a real problem. This is a major issue!
The way for Porsche to get the message is by people refusing to buy these vehicles without a written confirmation that Porsche will own up this design/manufacturing problems for say up to 100k miles. Buyer beware!
Anyone thinking 1/7 chance of RMS failure better think again. RMS is happening at all sort of mileage. Those who drive their vehicles the least are MOST likely to experience the problem after warranty has expired. Porsche may know what is going on but they are NOT telling us. In fact, those who think that by having the seal replaced once they are covered, think twice! Porsche claims that they have come up with a way of determing whether you need a new seal or a new engine by checking some diameters. Do not believe it! A new seal may give you a few extra thousand miles leak-free, but does NOT guarantte that the problem has been solved. I do not think that Porsche is telling us the truth!
How much for the repair? About $800-$1000 for replacing the seal only! You may need to do it agian, though. The truth is Porsche does NOT have a good handle on the problem as of today (at least if they know, they are NOT telling us)! Moreover, you may need a new engine and then you are talking about US$8-10K! And... if you get a rebuilt engine, you could still end up with a leaking RMS seal later!!
Those of us who keep silent about this problem are NOT helping. Porsche is keeping silent about a real problem. This is a major issue!
The way for Porsche to get the message is by people refusing to buy these vehicles without a written confirmation that Porsche will own up this design/manufacturing problems for say up to 100k miles. Buyer beware!
Okay, a couple of questions for you. You tell us to "think twice" and "Do not believe it"...to me this sounds like another "the sky is falling and the end of the earth is tomorrow" sort of "lets freak everyone out" post. Now that you have said all of the above...why don't you educate us on what is really going on? You seem to be in "the know". What is it we need to think twice upon and what is there not to believe?
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