Electronic gas....throttle by wire...no throttle cable connected to the gas pedal, just sensors...

 

Interesting questions and answers-- funny how things come out of threads that are some use to many.
I am actually looking for second hand engine from crash damaged or legitimately changed for some good reason etc.

 

2000 3.4 started E-gas

 

1999 C4 started E-gas, it has all the 2000 updates including E-Gas....

 

we will all get this straight by the time we get to the end of the thread

 

Been touch on in several threads. If you think you're going to put a 3.6L in a non drive-by-wire car, save yourself the trouble, heartache and money and buy a turbo! If you have an Egas car and need a motor, upgrade to a 3.8x51 for just under 10K plus labor! I put a new factory crate motor in my car for $8200 and got another $2400 back in core! If anyone tells you they'll put with a nonE and Egas car, do your homework or pay the price.

 

so your 3.8 x51 was $5800 after your core refund?

 

Short for "electronic gas"

It is a drive-by-wire sytem for your accelerator pedal, basically your gas pedal is an electronic component that sends a signal to an actuator or servo (I guess you would call it) on the throttle body to regulate the throttle blade position. I am sure it tells the ECU other things also.

It replaced the mechanical cables and linkages of the gas pedal, it numbs some of the feedback to the driver.

I personally do not like it.

 

There is a 996 motor on ebay right now for $1000.

 

From what I understand, the real PITA is the VarioCamPlus which requires the newer version of the DME (7.8?). The problem with that is, I guess it uses CAN bus, so then a lot of other stuff is not compatible like the instrument cluster, etc. So, you wind up ripping half the car apart replacing wiring harnesses and such.

What someone in the aftermarket needs to do is come up with a piggy-back controller for the VarioCamPlus. I think that's 80% of the work with fitting the newer engines.

 

No, I have a 3.4L. The guys at Brandywine were awesome on the new motor puchase.

I wanted more HP in the worst way and I spend 3 months researching the whole egas dilema and conlcuded that following had to be changed:

Engine (of course)
Complete Wiring Harness
Computer(s)
Pedal Cluster
Gauge Pod.

I did speak with 2 guys who had harnesses spliced and both guys were hugely dissapointed with the reliablity of the conversions.

 

Gotcha...still not a bad price at all for the 3.4L...but since I do have e-gas...the 3.8L x51 is a NO BRAINER when my engine goes...I only have 45K on my 2nd engine, so it will probably be a LONG way away, like a few years, prices may be even better by then too hopefully....

 

It's more than eGas vs. not. There's the dependency on the Motronic ECU to operate the VarioCam Plus. I think yours is like mine: ME7.2, but the VarioCam Plus needs an ME7.8 or some such thing.

There was a guy on one of the other boards that had made such a controller for a "tuner". It probably doesn't have to have all the capabilities of the stock 3.6/3.8 ECU, though. There are a bunch of other functions which also alter the VarioCam Plus to light off the cats quicker during warm up and such.

I'm also not in any hurry since my engine is great, but sometime down the road, I hope someone sorts this out.

 

Why is a complete 3.8 X51 motor under 10Gs when the X51 option is $17,000? If that's true, the hell with the SC! A 3.8 X51 puts down 385 HP and it's brand new with a warrantee.

 

Porsche rapes people when purchasing options, when the 996 carrera came out you can purchase it for 65K, when decked out with options it can drive the price towards 100K+...insane!