GTR vs Porsche 997 TT
#32
02-23-2008, 04:59 PM
Don't feel too bad. Any inferiority complex you may feel regarding Ferrari is understandable.
If you think that Honda is a serious Grand Prix competitor to Ferrari then you don't know the sport. We'll have to see what Ross Brawn can do with them (note, a former Ferrari guy). In the end, you know what I meant. Ferrari is a WORLD CHAMPION. How far did Jenson Button or Barrichello get Honda last year? But your point is well taken. Honda may as well be Nissan if gauged by how much Ferrari cares about what they are doing - on the street or on the track.
Good luck.
If you think that Honda is a serious Grand Prix competitor to Ferrari then you don't know the sport. We'll have to see what Ross Brawn can do with them (note, a former Ferrari guy). In the end, you know what I meant. Ferrari is a WORLD CHAMPION. How far did Jenson Button or Barrichello get Honda last year? But your point is well taken. Honda may as well be Nissan if gauged by how much Ferrari cares about what they are doing - on the street or on the track.
Good luck.
The modern Honda F1 team is different story, they have A LOT of work to do. But I wouldn't dismiss them so easily.
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02-23-2008, 05:03 PM
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Here is the bottom line. Ferrari builds road cars for one reason and one reason only. They need to sell street cars to make enough money to go racing. That is it. That is the soul purpose of the company. RACING! No other company in the world can say that. Not even Porsche.
#34
02-23-2008, 05:07 PM
Here is the bottom line. Ferrari builds road cars for one reason and one reason only. They need to sell street cars to make enough money to go racing. That is it. That is the soul purpose of the company. RACING! No other company in the world can say that. Not even Porsche.
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02-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Here is the bottom line. Ferrari builds road cars for one reason and one reason only. They need to sell street cars to make enough money to go racing. That is it. That is the soul purpose of the company. RACING! No other company in the world can say that. Not even Porsche.
Back to this 911 vs GTR thing. I think GTR is "better" car performance wise, but I LIKE the 911 better.
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02-23-2008, 05:18 PM
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#37
02-23-2008, 05:20 PM
can you make it by 5:45am? I will have a few other cars and its a lot of fun. No traffic and very safe. I have a radio for you.
#38
02-23-2008, 05:21 PM
In reality, just like any other car purchase, it comes down personal preference. If an individual is looking for straight up performance for the money then a GTR or a Z06 come to mind. I don't see the sense in arguing which of these two cars are better, mainly because I can't see people truly cross-shopping them. Performance wise the GTR and TT are so close in performance that I think whoever is driving is going to make up the real difference.
With all of that being said, the GTR makes sense to me. A TT is simply out of my price range and the appeal isn't quite there. I love 'bang for your buck' cars and this thing just takes the cake.
With all of that being said, the GTR makes sense to me. A TT is simply out of my price range and the appeal isn't quite there. I love 'bang for your buck' cars and this thing just takes the cake.
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02-23-2008, 05:22 PM
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I'll try.
#40
02-23-2008, 05:27 PM
Hmmm that's interesting. If the Boxster or the Cayman was the first Porsche I drove I wouldn't drive another one again.
#41
02-23-2008, 06:07 PM
GTR still does NOTHING for me though!
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Sorry bro, but Ferarri doesn't have its eye on Nissan when developing its cars. That is ludicrous. Ferrari is the only company that develops race cars first, then turns to the street. All other companies develop race cars to promote their street car offerings. The only shops that Ferrari has its eye on are its competitors in Formula 1. It doesn't matter what a mass market car maker like Nissan does - it will never make the boys at Fiorano stand up and take notice and it sure doesn't make them nervous at all. They target totally different markets and are in a class by themselves. I don't own a Ferrari - although I hope to some day soon - and I don't want to come off as a car-snob. But Ferrari is something totally different and at a different level than anything else in my book.
Sorry bro, but Ferarri doesn't have its eye on Nissan when developing its cars. That is ludicrous. Ferrari is the only company that develops race cars first, then turns to the street. All other companies develop race cars to promote their street car offerings. The only shops that Ferrari has its eye on are its competitors in Formula 1. It doesn't matter what a mass market car maker like Nissan does - it will never make the boys at Fiorano stand up and take notice and it sure doesn't make them nervous at all. They target totally different markets and are in a class by themselves. I don't own a Ferrari - although I hope to some day soon - and I don't want to come off as a car-snob. But Ferrari is something totally different and at a different level than anything else in my book.
#44
02-24-2008, 01:57 AM
First off...I salute Nissan for making the GTR. It seems like one hell of a car.
Secondly, I understand why some car enthusiasts don't embrace the GTR (or the ZO6 or the Viper or the Mustang Cobra). Just as I understand why some connoisseurs of fine cuisine don't embrace Taco Bell or McDonalds. Sometimes cheap food (or cheap cars) can be just as tasty (or fast) as expensive food (or expensive cars). I happen to think that a $2 Big Mac tastes better than a $19 Black Angus burger. How many times do you think I have taken clients to Mickey D's because it tastes better for less money?? You guessed it...zippo!! Why? Because McDonald's tastes good but it's quality is inferior to most other options. And this is why I believe the GTR (or ZO6 or Cobra or Viper) will never truly be placed aside a Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc.....reputation for quality of build.
My very wise grandfather once told me to remember two things....
1. NEVER!!!!.....make an appointment with a doctor who can see you right away....the physicians who are worth seeing are booked for some time in advance.
2. NEVER!!!....choose to buy anything that requires advertising....if a product is stellar then no advertising is necessary.
Think about that....Have you ever seen a TV commercial for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston???
Secondly, I understand why some car enthusiasts don't embrace the GTR (or the ZO6 or the Viper or the Mustang Cobra). Just as I understand why some connoisseurs of fine cuisine don't embrace Taco Bell or McDonalds. Sometimes cheap food (or cheap cars) can be just as tasty (or fast) as expensive food (or expensive cars). I happen to think that a $2 Big Mac tastes better than a $19 Black Angus burger. How many times do you think I have taken clients to Mickey D's because it tastes better for less money?? You guessed it...zippo!! Why? Because McDonald's tastes good but it's quality is inferior to most other options. And this is why I believe the GTR (or ZO6 or Cobra or Viper) will never truly be placed aside a Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc.....reputation for quality of build.
My very wise grandfather once told me to remember two things....
1. NEVER!!!!.....make an appointment with a doctor who can see you right away....the physicians who are worth seeing are booked for some time in advance.
2. NEVER!!!....choose to buy anything that requires advertising....if a product is stellar then no advertising is necessary.
Think about that....Have you ever seen a TV commercial for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston???
#45
02-24-2008, 02:15 AM
First off...I salute Nissan for making the GTR. It seems like one hell of a car.
Secondly, I understand why some car enthusiasts don't embrace the GTR (or the ZO6 or the Viper or the Mustang Cobra). Just as I understand why some connoisseurs of fine cuisine don't embrace Taco Bell or McDonalds. Sometimes cheap food (or cheap cars) can be just as tasty (or fast) as expensive food (or expensive cars). I happen to think that a $2 Big Mac tastes better than a $19 Black Angus burger. How many times do you think I have taken clients to Mickey D's because it tastes better for less money?? You guessed it...zippo!! Why? Because McDonald's tastes good but it's quality is inferior to most other options. And this is why I believe the GTR (or ZO6 or Cobra or Viper) will never truly be placed aside a Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc.....reputation for quality of build.
My very wise grandfather once told me to remember two things....
1. NEVER!!!!.....make an appointment with a doctor who can see you right away....the physicians who are worth seeing are booked for some time in advance.
2. NEVER!!!....choose to buy anything that requires advertising....if a product is stellar then no advertising is necessary.
Think about that....Have you ever seen a TV commercial for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston???
Secondly, I understand why some car enthusiasts don't embrace the GTR (or the ZO6 or the Viper or the Mustang Cobra). Just as I understand why some connoisseurs of fine cuisine don't embrace Taco Bell or McDonalds. Sometimes cheap food (or cheap cars) can be just as tasty (or fast) as expensive food (or expensive cars). I happen to think that a $2 Big Mac tastes better than a $19 Black Angus burger. How many times do you think I have taken clients to Mickey D's because it tastes better for less money?? You guessed it...zippo!! Why? Because McDonald's tastes good but it's quality is inferior to most other options. And this is why I believe the GTR (or ZO6 or Cobra or Viper) will never truly be placed aside a Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc.....reputation for quality of build.
My very wise grandfather once told me to remember two things....
1. NEVER!!!!.....make an appointment with a doctor who can see you right away....the physicians who are worth seeing are booked for some time in advance.
2. NEVER!!!....choose to buy anything that requires advertising....if a product is stellar then no advertising is necessary.
Think about that....Have you ever seen a TV commercial for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Aston???
http://www.montagelagunabeach.com/di...factsheet.html
As far as your point about advertising, Ferrari, Aston, Lambo and Bentley don't advertise because they don't mass produce their products. Porsche does significant advertising. In fact, I saw that "Bloodlines" commercial on twice today. But, then again, Porsche mass produces most of its cars. Yet when I am in the market for a household cleaner, I might just go with Mr. Clean because of those catchy commercials. It helps you remember it when you hit the aisle that has 20 other cleaner brands - each with basically the same chemical composition and of equal quality. If gramps were right, Madison Avenue would be in the fashion district.
It's getting late and all of these threads about the GTR are making me dizzy and have robbed me of my ability to make sense . . .
Hell, knowing me, I'll probably be dumb enough to test drive it or drive a friend's. Then I will have to buy it and my Ferrari fund will once again be depleted. DAMN THAT NISSAN!
Last edited by Barrister; 02-24-2008 at 02:33 AM.