I don't care if the GT-R is going to steal any sales from Porsche. I don't care how much money Nissan or Porsche can make in North America at all.

I only care that the GT-R is a great performing car at a good price point and it will make a great stable mate to my Porsches.

 

Kind of like all the 911 owners with GT3 aerokits on them?

 

Wow, coming from HeavyChevy that is saying a lot!! I remember just few weeks ago you were saying 911 Turbo was faster than GTR by large margin. (But not in nice words)

 

Many of the 911 owners with GT3 aero kits use them for tracking at least as they provide a cost effective aero mod for road racing.

And both cars are 911's

A 350Z is not a GT-R
A Civic is not an M3

I could go on.

 

When and where did I say that? The trap speeds have always indicated they are almost identical in acceleration, with an edge to the TT. I simply found myself being the only one who would stick with it despite the internet glorifications.

I did say based on earlier statements of the GT-R gearing being short that it would likely run out of steam up top, which seems to be the case.

I still say they are about identical on the road course, and just like the straight line speed, it will be proved over time as well. In fact Nissan did all the proving I need.

So for putz drivers that try to drift the TT, yeah you'll lose to the GT-R, but for someone who knows how to drive a 911, and actually tries to, they are very evenly match.

PERIOD.

That's all I've been trying to say from day 1

 

Taken from day 1, when the reviews started to come out from Euro magazines.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...&postcount=119

Back then you said US magazines will prove you right, and it didn't. And as time passed by you slowly change your view from GTR is all hype to GTR is evenly matched with TT.

There is nothing wrong with it. It is what it is, and some people just takes more proof than others. Which isn't a bad thing.

 

Seriously? I'd say less then 5% buy them for road racing. The vast majority buy it for the way it looks!

 

That's a wild guess and unfortunately the racing segment of Porsche makes your statement incorrect. There are susbstantial numbers of people who buy the kits for racing. I know Koni challenge as well as other series. Synergy makes them by the dozens.

While your statement would reign true otherwise, there are far too many people racing 911's with GT3 kits for that to be the case. And if you subtract the overall number of people that do body modifications in general from the regular production of cars, you may see more in the racing segment than on the street.

I do agree the faux GT3 has become popular, but still not in the same category as the 350 Z being made to look like something with a completely different chassy and design. All the 911's are versions of the same Chassy, and the 996 GT3 shared the same body with the 996 Carrera. And you can put FACTORY kits on the cars.

Try that with the imports.

 

My comment was in reference to straight line performance, and yes I have been correct, and by a US magazine. Rape was for effect, that was during the bonze era of over exhaggeration. But I'm ok with leaving in the dust if that sounds better.

 

Best Motoring used a Tip 997TT. But they cheated m'kay?

 

No culture? Thats is an ignorant statement sir. This car is steeped in culture and heritage in the markets it was released in. It is not the GT-R's fault that it was never sold in the majority of the world's markets, therefore was not available to be enjoyed by more people. Why do you people hate this car so much?? It is a WONDERFUL thing Nissan is doing. I know you some of you people are narcissistic fools who do not think that you eat, ****, and die like the rest of us. But news flash: I do not have 150k to drop on a Porsche Turbo. I earn roughly 100k a year and the GTR affords me 150k performance for half the price. Thank you Nissan.

Insofar as the looks...well, I would make a point here but it would fall on deaf ears...Lets just say our mind can very easily be swayed to perceive things in different lights...by itself Think of your wife girlfriend having to bash some hottie in a sexy outfit because she is insecure and jealous

Oh an heritage?? A small sample

1989- Nissan debuted the Skyline GT-R to compete in the JTC (Japan Touring Car) Group A racing series. The Skyline GT-R was undefeated in its first season. 4 years running the Skyline GT-R won the championship in the JTC Group A series, a record of 29 wins out of 29 races.

In 1991- The Nissan Skyline GTR participated in the Nurburgring 24 hour endurance race Group N class for the first time!! The Skyline GT-R won in the first participation of the event at the Spa Francorchamps 24 hour endurance race. This same year, the Skyline GTR won overall in point ranking in the Group A, and Group N1. An amazing feat of its time.

Between the years of 1991 and 1997, The Nissan Skyline GTR was undefeated in the N1 endurance racing in Japan. Over a span of seven years, the Skyline GTR was the winning machine in all 50 SERIES!!

In 1994- The Nissan Skyline GTR was feared in the racing circuit that, because of its dominance, the Skyline GTR was given its own dedicated racing series. The Nissan Skyline GTR racing series was born as the Japan Grand Touring Car (Japan GT Car) series. YES THEY HAD TO GIVE IT ITS OWN RACE BECAUSE IT WAS UNTOUCHABLE HELLOOOOOOOOOO

 

Just like the majority of Porsche owners don't track their cars, most buy the aerokits just for the looks.
I see your point on the the 350Z argument though.

 

WTF when did porsche start building 911's in Kentucky?