I think You You are on the right track here. I did order the adjustable GT3 sway bars to front & back, not yet installed. But the word is in AWD porsche You do not need more lateral stiffness, especially to the rear. So stock set up is quite sufficient there, but I could not resist to see the difference

And Yes, stiffer rear means snappier oversteer....

 

Cannga the shock has a piston that the seals travel on and over time they wear into the piston. The area where the contact occurs is dependent on the spring height and travel. When you shorten the spring, you thus effectively change the contact points on the piston with the seals. This is what leads to the "shock blowing" i.e. the seals fail and the oil/gas leaks. Now in theory if the shock is relatively fresh, changing the contact area should have minimal effect since the piston/seals have not really worn into each other.

I personally was very happy with the Techarts. In fact my fastest track lap to date in the 997tt was turned on the stock shock + Techart combo. I did switch to the Damptronics though with the thought in mind that Bilstein developed the 997tt, 997Gt3/RS, and 997Gt2 coilovers, and thus should be able to offer the most ideal PASM compatible setup for the 997tt.

Now regarding Motons, JRZ's, etc being able to run different spring rates - this is true because they are also almost inifinitely adjustable for rebound and dampening, and are also often rebuilt/revalved for different rate springs anyway.

 

I have a set of BNIB techart springs that i did not put on my car and have for sale...see my sig and click on link...Save $$$

Lou

 

Brad,

I enjoy reading your comments, and don't worry this won't be a never ending debate. Judging from your car lineup , the KW you're installing in your Turbo, and your comments, it's not a debate, I am trying to learn from your experience.

While I don't disagree with the technical, and theoretical, concern that with lowering spring, the "dynamics isn't there anymore," what I would like to know is how this translates into real life experience. In what way is it not as good ?

1. Is the track time worse? For example, per eclou's experience, it doesn't seem to be.
2. Per seat of pants impression? If so, how is it better? I am looking more than just "this is stiffer" or it "feels" better.
3. I agree that neutral opinion is hard to get, but the rave reviews on the 2 Turbo with lowering springs were judged by third party: Both Champion and GMG Turbo's were driven by Excellence Magazine's reviewers.

In other words, the difference between lowering spring and coilover comes down to the dampener's behavior, assuming the springs in both setup have equal quality and setting. How does a "better" dampener translate into something an amateur driver with occasional track time feels and benefits from? What adjectives are there besides "stiffer" and "better"?

 

Why is it faster eclou? Is it because the Techarts springs are stiffer than Bilstein's? Thanks.

 

ecolu
what do you mean by older shock, i have 6000 miles on my car , and am thinking of replacing the springs, so are mine considered older//?

 

6k miles is not older. I would consider 30-40k older

 

Wow funny to see this thread bumped up again.

I ended up going with the Bilstein Damptronics and GMG sway bars, and probably going to be adding a few more GMG odd bits here and there.

 

haha , it was me who restarted this post, as one is supposed to do a search on a topic and use that topic, atleast thats the way i understand. anyways i noticed that lot of the guys here on this forum who have gone with the lowering springs, have eventually switched to coil overs even after their good reviews, i wonder why?

 

I would say go with the most adjustable system possible, because you can always fine tune it as your driving needs change.

 

Ahhhhrrrggg!!! STOP STOP STOP....not the spring versus coilover arguement again!

 

If you are doing a few track days a year and not going to jump in with both feet lowering springs will be fine because you will be able to enjoy your car 99% of the time on the street and daily road use.

Coil overs are the next logical choice.......

If you start to get more serious about going to the track then a step up from an entry level coil over kit ( PSS damptronic) to a more track friendly set up like a Moton club sport is in order.

Understanding that your car will have to have PASM programmed out of it.
So your warning light isnt coming on all the time.


Motons can be very street friendly but will be more on the agressive side.

First determine how much the car will be used on the track before you sink a ton of money into a suspension you will not be happy with regardless wheter its lowering springs or a complete coil over kit.