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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Hamilton was robbed.

Terrible decision. They are side by side going into the corner..

Each driver is obliged to give the other space to race.

Raikkonen clearly does not.

Hamilton had only two options - hit the brakes and drop behind, which would be a) an unfair move on Raikkonen's part and b) extremely dicey on a wet track in a tight corner - or run wide, as he did.

This coming from an impartial observer too lol. I see it as a ploy to keep the points race close. Massa wasn't penalized for his pit shenanigans in Spain either...
So I suppose I started this pissing match?

Terminator...you actually watched the race, or at least the video of the last 5 laps, right? I'm not going to post some insulting video poking fun at your ignorance or sight disability [like others]... but, would you watch it again, just for me? It sickens me that you can watch the same video and come to a different conclusion from everyone else.

9/11 conspiracy type ****.
 
Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mevans
So I suppose I started this pissing match?

Terminator...you actually watched the race, or at least the video of the last 5 laps, right? I'm not going to post some insulting video poking fun at your ignorance or sight disability [like others]... but, would you watch it again, just for me? It sickens me that you can watch the same video and come to a different conclusion from everyone else.

9/11 conspiracy type ****.
Yep I did and yep I can. And so did the Stewards hence the 25 seconds penalty for Hamilton. And by the way they watched it for 2 hours I suggest you guys do the same. . . There is a lot of hamilton's supporters crying like babies out there (you and chewy and some others being some of them) ain't that a fact, But I will say it again. Hamilton's LET was not quick enough and obvious enough. His **** up.

Here is my analysis and I await Hamilton's supporter’s flaming. Hamilton quicker and closing on Kimi. Decides to go on the outside. Isn't quick enough because Kimi already in the apex. Goes straight off track. Overtakes in the process. NOW take a stopwatch and watch the onboard camera and time the incident) it takes 6 seconds for Kimi to appear in front of Hamilton. 6 seconds is too long and so thought the stewards. And then the amount of time let was given is another issue, because as consequence Hamilton got right into the slipstream area and other side argues gained unfair advantage.

<O</OHamilton drove faster and was better in rain than Kimi who also lost his cool. But the previous fact remains and this is why Hamilton got penilised.

<O</OI ****ing give up with people who do not agree with the above unbiased opinion. For the record I hate Kimi, I think Hamilton is best driver out there at the moment, and Senna and Schumi are my all time kings.

<O</ONOW The Hamilton family could you please all **** off!
 
Old Sep 10, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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^Terminator, I am a Hamiton fan, but I couldnt agree more with what you said.
 
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I just watched the pass again a few minutes ago. I was being as objective as possible while watching it and I have to say that Hamilton's penalty was justified. After cutting the chicane Hamilton did let Kimi by but not enough so that Kimi clearly had his P1 position back. As soon as Kimi went by, Hamilton tucked behind and under him and passed kimi on the next right hander. It wasn't a clear Let for position. It was more like "I'll let you pass me but then instantly duck underneath and take the position back." I am a fan of Hamilton, but I'm calling it as I see it.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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Thanks guys. I was so alone, I started to doubt myself... :-).
 
Old Sep 10, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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hamilton is the man not matter if the pass was legit or not. I thought it was just within the boundries, but he is an amazing driver.
 
Old Sep 10, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by White997TT
hamilton is the man not matter if the pass was legit or not. I thought it was just within the boundries, but he is an amazing driver.
Yup of that there is little doubt. His superior skill coupled with the McLaren's ability to keep heat in the tires was only a question of time when either Kimi would be forced into an error, or concede a pass.

Hamilton is today probably the most talented driver on the grid (I say probably since I'd like to see Vettel in similar equipment). Like Schumacher before him he has a 'win-at-any-cost' streak in him too (remember Schumacher incident with Villeneuve in Spain for the F1 title in 1997, or his parking the 'wounded' Ferrari conveniently in an awkward position at Tabac in Monaco to thwart Alonzo's qualifier, etc.). I suppose that this ultra-competitiveness to gain whatever advantage there is to be gained, sometimes unfairly, is on one hand what makes him great and on the other hand very controversial like Ayrton and Schumi before him. But that doesn't diminish his enormous talent, just his likability as a sportsman. And I say this not based on Chicane Gate, but more so on a cumulative set of occurrences over the last year and a half.

So amazing driver and future World Champ (s) - you bet. But I find that over the last year or so I've have grown to steadily dislike him more and more as a competitor while still amazed at his car control.
 
Old Sep 10, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Here's what seems a balanced opinion:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70457
 
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