100% - OK - I like perfect scores.

 

Well put Larry.

 

Just wanted to add I recently did the EVOMSit flash after having the GIAC tune, both are great however the EVOMSit has more power and seems to spool the turbos quicker. I may be thinking wishful however I am happier with the EVOMSit on my TT! Thought you all could use a little comparison.

 

Agreed. No inflammatory remarks. Thanks for re-opening this interesting thread.

 

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I did some research on various exhausts and ECU upgrades and ultimately chose the route I did:

• GIAC has substantial documentation
• Recommendations from other owners
• Preference for switching of programs
• GMG is local to me and I have a relationship with them
• WC-GT Exhaust: I loved the sound

Results? I am immensely satisfied.

• GIAC flash does exactly as described. Boost comes on earlier and stronger. While still smooth and linear, as stock.
• Overall, the car is quicker. Much quicker. Reminds me of my 993TT Andial, but without the brutal 'kick' that came with that motor.
• 'Feels' faster, more aggressive, without being annoying to passengers. OK. Wife.
• Gas mileage is down 2 mpg. Cause is likely right foot. More WOT, more boost, more fuel.
• Exhaust (headers, cats, muffler, tips) is perfect for me. No freeway drone, nice low RPM sound, great at 4000 rpm and up. Dual tips (new style) look great. I did not like this look on previous tip version, but new tips are beefier and fill the rear cutouts nicely. And I have had many positive comments regarding the sound.

All in all, I would recommend this set up. Since I had these mods done from my stock set up, and at the same time, I can not comment on any other mix of ECU/exhaust. This set-up works for me.

 

So much depends on relationships. I've been a customer of my dealer since 1979. Probably a dozen Porsches or more. My dealer is also a Champion dealer so normally uses GIAC & Tubi which are the Champion set-up. Obviously, if they are a Champion dealer, they are very mod friendly. I told them there was a very good chance I would be going to AWE's 750 HP kit at a later date but wanted to do the ECU & exhaust now. Since the 750 kit would use a different GIAC tune that is specific to AWE's kit and GIAC credits the full amount paid for the original tune to the new tune, I felt it would be awkward to use Champion/GIAC and then upgrade to the AWE(750hp)/GIAC later. My dealer, although having no previous relationship with AWE, had no problem buying the tune (and exhaust) through them. Also they make money on the tune and exhaust as AWE sells it to them at a deaer price and they also make money on the install. Everybody wins. If there was a warranty problem with the car, I am sure they would do anything possible to help me, but if Porsche got involved - all bets are off.

 

Duffy -

A "motorsports" department is a separate entity from a factory dealership . They may have a shared name and when it comes to repairs they face the internal process of claim coverage .

For example
If an air conditioner breaks --that's factory warranty no matter how many mods are on the car.
If an axle breaks -- that may be mod related repair picked up by the tuner .

Some on the thread (in other regions) do not have these dealership branch related choices as you do. BUT they still can find quality tuners to do the work.

The bottom line is that the person holding the cards is the owner . It's HIS car, HIS money, HIS present and future business, and the minute he closes his wallet -- game over !!!

That applies to any giant motorsports dept, a small local shop, a dealership, or anyone else who believes that keeping a happy customer in a reliable car is not a major priority .

 

I agree

 

I agree with yrralis1 and noah677. Dealers who are mod friendly keep their customers coming back - even in lean economic times. Those dealers who are not mod friendly are actually inviting us to take our business to reliable tuners for mods and maintenance (especially post-warranty period). If you live in an area of the US of A where there are multiple dealers to choose from you - are fortunate indeed (very few dealers in Canada). I'm thinking of taking a road trip (any excuse for a road trip) to US dealers (Arizona or California sounds good) for my recommended maintenance schedule given some of your comments.
Happy holidays.
K.

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Larry,
I understand the difference between Champion - the authorized Porsche dealership and Champion Motorsports. I am just pointing out how lucky some people are (including myself) to have such a mod friendly, customer friendly Porsche dealership. I would much rather have my Porsche dealership modify my car than an independent shop. If Sh*t does happen, they are the ones that have to address the warranty issues. In the end though, it's our money and our risk when modifying our cars.

 

This is where the thread poses a snag . The person who buys a Porsche in Idaho has the same warranty as the guy in Ft Lauderdale and to believe that there is a difference simply because the tuner's shop bears a sibling relationship to an authorized dealership is not accurate.

Whether it's a branch of an authorized dealership or an independent tuner both face the same accountability for their work.

And yes you do acknowledge the "risk" but it's my opinion that if someoone is content with 480 Hp (stock) and the lag with the factory car he might never know what he could have had .

Yes ---- there IS that big of a difference.

 

...and those of us fortunate enough to have had mods done by a "mod friendly" dealer would probably be out of luck if the engine "blew" on a road trip, a far distance from the mod friendly dealer. In that case you're probably faced with a tow back to the installing dealer. The auto industry walks a fine line trying to minimze costs with reduced warranty claims but at the same time trying to increase customer goodwill so there's a repeat sale in the future.

 

Bascically you are correct. I already posted on this issue and asked this question of my dealer. The short response is that there is dealer to dealer communication which should work. If not, then I would pay to have it trucked to my dealer. Some expense? Yes, but if the dealer to dealer doesn't work then this is better than letting the dealer who has your broken porsche voiding your warranty when it is NOT a necessary consequence of traveling. I even go so far as to notify "my guys" when I take a long trip. They say "no sweat" This is why I will go to this dealer for car after car.

 

Just another voice saying- "it depends on the dealer".

Even with full power upgrade, including turbos, intercoolers, etc - installed by my dealer - no problem if I return to that dealership with powertrain warranty issues.

 

I envy most of you...

There are 2 dealerships locally in my area...neither are mod friendly. In fact, one threatened to void my warranty if I changed exhausts or headers.