There is no topic, the cayman is not the future of Porsche. If there is a new platform, it will not be the cayman. The cayman fills the market it's intended to fill, even if there were something else, the cayman would stay in the same market it is now.

So what's next for Porsche is a 3.8 liter in all the 997's, then a 4.0 liter with direct injection in there somewhere. By the end of that time it will be 2018. There will be some new technology and more restictions than ever. So no telling what after that.

People keep saying the 911 has reached it's limit in hp and handling, yet Porsche keeps making faster ones with more hp and better handling. The 4.0 liter RSR's don't even have DFI yet and have limited hp in Racing. There is more to be had. When Porsche retires the GT1 block for good we'll have a better picture for what's going on, but from the talk at Geneva about the 3.8 GT3 there is one maybe two life cycles in the GT1 block, at least in the GT3.

Let's see how much faster the new GT3 is than the 997.1.

 

They already raised the rev limit to 7500 rpm for 2009, I wonder if the next gen turbo will stick with the GT1 block and get the PDK?

 

Good question, I doubt Porsche will go for a huge increase in performance with a facelift, I think they will be dilligent and add some now and some later with the new model. We will get a combination of DFI, PDK, Motor change and more hp but hard to say if we get all of them. But Porsche will no doubt be looking to put the GT-R to sleep without any doubts (which we all have).

I bet it will be modest with just a PDK option to replace the Tip and a slight HP bump. The new motors are likely going to come in the next model, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they don't. Though I'm not looking forward to the end of the GT1 block. But the weight savings would be huge with a different motor, and Porsche knows enough to build another good block.

 

if porsche cant get more hp or performance out of the boxers. the they would probably change the 911 from rear engine to midengine. thats the only logical reason they could do. it will have also better handling and more power. the power increase from the boxer engine will be soon on the limit. so porsche will stay with mid-engine 911 in future. i hope so. the porsche heads are not dump. they know what they do.

 

They need in my opinion to bring the fight to the GTR with a combo of PDK and a more advanced possibly torque vectoring AWD system. The power to weight ratio is already better than the GTR, don't increase the weight and bump the power to 500.

 

They could, but they wont make it too sporty and kill the market for the GT2. It really wont take much to make the TT as fast as the GT2 with a little more aggression on the suspension system. But if they make it too fast, then no one will pay 200k for GT2's.

The TT is still the GT cruiser of the high end 911's and will likely stay that way as to keep an open market to sell 3 high performance sports cars. Making them all ***** out wont help sells.

That's my bean counter spill for the day. Of course I would certainly prefer all of the 911's to return to their roots. But with fat lazy americans to satisfy, "fat chance".

 

I'm getting as confused on the 911 as I was about all the racing corvette frame stuff. Factually, the last 997 911 is here with the 997.2; there aren't going to be any significant facelifts and the 998 - or whatever the designation - will be available in 2 or 3 years, depending upon the economy. All the power (engine) speculation is meaningless at this time; for the last 18 months you've had a NA flat 6 (boxer) 3.6L/420HP in the GT3 Cup, 3.6L/440HP in the GT3 Cup S, and a 3.8L/465HP in the GT3 RSR, so these are "available". Tuners can already chirp the 997.2 911S up to 425+ HP with the simple manifold/cat/muffler/air intake/flash mods; Porsche can incorporate these and more if it so desires. My conclusion is that the next 911 will be a more powerful rear engine car with a little different front and rear bumpers, front and rear fenders, an upgraded dash, significant electronic and suspension changes, and 100-150 pounds lighter. You guys can do the predictions on the TT and the GT2.

 

Not going to happen!

 

I was wrong in wording, but not the concept of the GT1 Corvette. And if you'd bothered to read anything I've said that. I am not wrong about the cayman.

How many carmakers have you know to take their second tier vehicle and promote it to the main one? Some common sense would prevail here. Like I said, in the event that something new were to come, WHICH ITS NOT, it wouldn't be a cayman. Get over it!

 

More than wording my friend, as I said we usually agree on alot of things. A car is either a tube frame car or it isn't, the question was never about the differences between a GT1 car and a GT2 car. Of course a GT1 car is less based on a street car than a GT2 car!

 

Possibly the worst thing to hear. Ever. If the reason behind not ever producing a CGT replacement is the economy, then this depression truly does end dreams.

If it turns out to be because of government regulations/politics/how your neighbors will view you, then that reason will be even more sad.

 

Well you could argue that a new Carrera GT will never replace the old car.

 

Whether 911 or Cayman, P needs to have the engine in the middle, period.

 

The 911 needs to be rear engined, you don't take a heritage car like the 911 and start changing things!

 

The 911 will never be changed that drastically, I don’t know why you would suggest this. I just want an option for a Cayman with a real engine. Does anyone have an issue with offering that as an option? Even Ford and GM offer options of drastically different configured engines (6,8). A company that was saved financially from parts sharing among models doesn’t have to ***** to give an engine option for enthusiast that would be willing to pay. They could even charge a discouraging amount that made the 911 still look much more appealing and in the end make money off of people choosing that option engine.

Porsche decided that the 911 would be their signature car many many moons ago and have stuck to it and marketed it as the best and the fastest. The engine is the wrong sport, at least for a traditional sports car. You cant argue that’s what makes it good. It’s good because they engineered it to be amazing. Porsche could mount the engine on the roof and make it an amazing car. But, For an ideal sport/race car platform, mid engine is the only way. Seats and number of cylinders don’t matter when comes to idea weight balance on the blueprints. You mount the heavy mass as close to the center and as low as possible. Anyone want to argue physics?