Just to set the record straight on my comments:

Explode and Blow up are directed at the production capabilities of the GT1 block and Porsche. Has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution. What they did with that car is amazing for speed.

My comments about not understanding someone buying are a personal opinion. This is a forum and I get that right. Take the opinion for what it's worth.

I own a track car and am plenty proud of doing 190+ in a track built car. I'm not there to race that EVOMS car. Not possible in a 625 HP car.

Any GT2 owner willing to spend the money can get just the same performance. There are many tuners that advertise on this site that can do the same. Evolution does the same. Their 996 ran 230 something. That is freaking amazing. I wish they could have beat those stupid Supra's. Someone needs to.

I have no comment on the disrespect some members have stated about Service Managers. The ones I know work on race cars, own race cars, and are involved in this arena as much as the next guy. I wouldn't look for much help from them in the future. I know they are watching.

 

I guess that would be alot like calling you an armchair, internet engineer.. you know someone who has paid someone else to build a car, therefore you are now the expert and start slinging mud. All this simply because another member has voiced his opinion?

I'm sorry that so many of "you" have had obvious bad experiences with your dealership and advisors ( Service Advisors or Managers ) but putting everyone in one basket is alot like putting everyone here in the "online know it all group"...

Alot of "us" and alot of "you" really DO know what we are talking about.
( Some do not, that's a given )

So , not to take anything more away from the OP.... good speeds were achieved this past weekend. I know alot of people who have already made their Hotel Rezo's for October!

Think anyone will reach 250.xxx with a " street " car. ??

Steve

 

If Stephen Kaspar tells me the limits of the stock internals is around 700-750 hp, I'd say okay...that's believable. After all, he's built countless number of engines in his lifetime and is an accomplished tuner and builder.

If Todd Knighton calls me and tells me the connecting rods need to be titanium to achieve the HP ratings I shooting for...I believe him. He's built some of the fastest 996TTs in the world.

If Todd Zuccone builds a reinforced GT1 block which now holds the record as the fastest 997TT in the standing mile, I think I'm more likely to believe him than a 6speed member speculating about an "engine blowing up on the track," or a Porsche service manager...enthusiast, race car owner or otherwise.

 

Point well made and agreed.

Steve

 

+1. Guys like Todd and Stephen are very well respected engine builder/tuners. I would take their word for it too. Anyone esle who is just speculating is going to have to show some hard evidence. IMO.

 

I've been told by people at the race that the Supra's are pushing 1700 to 1800 HP. Hennessey is going to have to do some serious fixing in order to make that happen. I would like someone to do 250 in a street car. The HP jump required by the GTR will need to be quite big. It was a good looking car.

 

IMHO - There are lots of good Porsche tuners, that being said. For the forum members to make a blanket statement about dealership Advisors and Managers is short sided. The Porsche dealer in Dallas has one of the most knowledgeable management team around, they have built some of the best performing cars on the track. So next time your passed wonder who tuned it...

 

ok, our GTR was very easy to drive and i was very suprised it ran 193.8 mph in the mile. congrats to evo on their great speeds in both the 996 and 997. your gt2 was very impressive as well.

 

Thanks man. Thought I did decent for a track built car. I liked your rockets. Nice work. Gonna try to come see you sometime. Got an itch.

 

Thank you John. We were more than pleased with the 996 but the 997 should have run quicker. We uncovered some restrictions that were previously not discovered. There was a 3-4 psi boost drop off at the top of 5th gear and all through 6th gear. After making numerous software changes in the ECU, we finally discovered the cause was not software, but hardware related. On Sunday, after making 10 passes in the car during the weekend we found a flow restriction which was causing the boost to fall off. Unfortunately, we could not fix it at the track but we have already designed a new part and have fixed the restriction. 200 MPH here we come in October.

 

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"A lot different from last year..." Nice quote

 

Steve,
You are correct that you cannot place everyone in one basket, but it is the truth that ALL service advisors are trained salesmen. Their compensation DEPENDS on it and you cannot tell me otherwise. Surely their training is extensive in high-end vehicles, which I suppose, but only under the extent of factory specifications. Anything beyond that is foreign and pure speculation unless they have first-hand experience.

I never claimed to "know-it-all," but to take tips from just the mouth of a service advisor who has more than likely never wrenched in his life is just naive. The engineers from many of the trusted tuning companies here have first hand experience with these motors and their real-world limitations. Otherwise, a product would not be released to the public with the risk of liability. Throwing just any hp number out there because it seems high makes me question that person even more. For one, how he/she arrived at that conclusion and what evidence supports it and two, what is his/her background experience relative to the subject.

bbywu couldn't have stated this any better. I would rather drag my ears towards a group that has not only built the car, but has actually raced it as well. Only they have anything worthwhile to say. Thankfully, with this community among others there is empirical evidence supporting/disproving claims of tuners coupled with customer feedback. This kind of valuable information is generally not accessed or even aknowledged by many service advisors, but make many "internet engineers" as myself better-informed.

 

In SW's car(the current and 3 time record holder), we were making about 1285rwhp to go 246mph on Friday. That was without much of a tailwind(5-10mph max). The other Supras(Autobanh M.S. previous record holder, and Amit's red widebody) both went over 240mph on Saturday(THE day to run), and we were expecting one of them to better SW's time. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be for them this time.

For Hennessey's GTR to better that time, they would need to double their hp output. It's exponential at those speeds, the amount of horsepower needed to overcome drag(from wind resistance, tires, bearings, everything). I think John will be happy when he goes over 200 in that thing , and for the power it's making now, 195mph is quite an accomplishment(I think the stock cars were going between 165 and 170mph).

EVOMS did a great job out there, and I commend their dedication. Just the travel involved warrants praise. On top of that, to go over 230mph is incredible.

I think we might make another showing in October in SW's car as he has his mind set on 250mph... What most people don't realize is how hard it is to gain 4mph at those speeds. When you're covering more than 300 feet per second, you really have to make sure that your rate of acceleration is still up to par at the big end. I can tell you that if you are terminal before the mile, I doubt you can go 240+ no matter the gearing. All of the cars over 240 are still accelerating(albeit slowly) at the mile marker.

Justin

 

Thanks for the informative response. That is some serious HP no matter what.

I talked to 2 guys last October in GTR's. The max they did was 165 or 166 from what I remember.