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Old Apr 9, 2009 | 07:25 AM
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I have pretty much stayed out of the GT-R debate. So please excuse me if this is a dumb questions but is the reason so many GT-R's double gearbox are having problems due to the 588Nm torque it puts through it?

If so then no wonder Porsche are taking forever to introduce their 997.2 Turbo with PDK and around 700Nm torque!!
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 07:32 AM
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No, actually most of it is from faulty solenoids, and a stupid LC that stresses the lower gears too much, voids warranty, and should never have been on the car in the first place. Jury is out on their revised LC. Porsche had similar problems blowing up gearboxes and thus they waited to release the PDK instead of throwing it out there anyways and having unhappy customers with broken cars.
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 08:21 AM
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Chris,

sorry (or glad for you actually) to hear of this decision. You are a discerning, educated consumer and clearly the cons outweighed the pros and this was a good informed decision to make. Guys like you will help keep auto manufacturers honest. I certainly wish we never get to the point of having "windows updates" on our cars every 2 weeks to weed out the bugs. I wish Porsche could figure out the RMS issue once and for all as well.
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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I would've done the same thing...sucks when you hit the go pedal and in the back of your mind you have to keep thinking about breaking things...
 
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Before it is delivered, each Nissan GT-R receives a thorough-9-lap break in at Tochigi test track to evaluate and break-in key components.....

I guess my warranty is void anyways!!!
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Just imagine what would happen if they didn't test tack it
 
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Around the time I was shopping for a used 997 TT, the GT-R was for sale, the reason I didn't buy it was not the tranny or overheating or general issues with the car. I looked at a few key points;
-name brand; When I was buying my turbo I knew it was a platform that was built by a time tested motorsport champion. I wouldn't have to worry about pushing my car ones in a while
-I have to give nissan props for developing such a well crafted car, but at the end of the day it's still a Nissan. With a porsche it doesn't matter if you have a boxter or a gt2 it still has the name behind it that was out for decades with documented achievements and performance oriented heritage
-ofcourse the automatic vs manual transmission, I know this is like beating a dead horse, but in my book a true sports car has to have a manual gearbox.

Looks like I made a correct decision in getting a used TT, I've had virtually no problems and I drive my car like I stole it.
 

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Old Apr 9, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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Actually Porsche has put out some stinkers too. The first batch of 996 motors were absolute crap. The last cayman motors were crap too. You get what you pay for. The sad thing is that it cost Nissan more to build than what they are selling it for and they still aren't building quality for dollar.

Your chances of running for extended periods of time in a GT-R are little to none, especially if you mod it. You're lucky to finish 20-30 minute sessions without warning lights and overheating. Not to mention the tires.

Tires, btw I've read that some pro drivers in Aussie have reported a loss of speed and handling when changing from factory Dunlops to Toyo R888's. I've said over and over again those tires are sneakily grippy. Not to mention everyone who's tried a PS2 in the GT-R hates them and claims loss of performance. When PS2's are the norm. The truth shall set you free.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Wonder how much of the chassy they used in that GT1 car. Will set up an interesting showdown with the Corvettes next year in ALMS. Should be intersting, and may revive the dead GT1 category maybe drawing some privateers with smaller budget requirements.
Good Question!

My thoughts: You have purchased the most expensive car Toyota makes. They should treat you as an extremely high valued customer. The way they approached the Service would **** me off the most. If they offered to buy it back and you can part with it mentally and say, "Been there, done that". I say sell it! It is a first year model, you have to expect issues. I would say buy an 2011 model which will probely be faster and better....Just my thoughts.....
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Actually Porsche has put out some stinkers too. The first batch of 996 motors were absolute crap. The last cayman motors were crap too. You get what you pay for. The sad thing is that it cost Nissan more to build than what they are selling it for and they still aren't building quality for dollar.

Your chances of running for extended periods of time in a GT-R are little to none, especially if you mod it. You're lucky to finish 20-30 minute sessions without warning lights and overheating. Not to mention the tires.

Tires, btw I've read that some pro drivers in Aussie have reported a loss of speed and handling when changing from factory Dunlops to Toyo R888's. I've said over and over again those tires are sneakily grippy. Not to mention everyone who's tried a PS2 in the GT-R hates them and claims loss of performance. When PS2's are the norm. The truth shall set you free.
I don't know much about porsches past failures, but did porsche stand behind those 996 engines or did they just nullify the warranty and blamed the customers?

I am by no means a gt-r basher, but the car just isn't what everyone hoped that it would be. Even I created this image of the gt-r in my mind as the best bang for the buck 997tt killer that is indestructible, it's a let down to find out the constraints of the car.
The deal killer was the auto tranny for me, no matter if it's dsg or- after I found out that a whole tranny needed to be replaced if something went wrong... that's what sealed the deal on my 997tt
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Actually Porsche has put out some stinkers too. The first batch of 996 motors were absolute crap. The last cayman motors were crap too. You get what you pay for.
And let us not forget the three dreaded letters...RMS. While not so much of a problem for the turbo or GT2, it does peek it's ugly little head on the GT3 and certainly on the other block.
 

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In this economy, the opportunity to walk away from the car ...if I were in the same situation would have been to great to pass up. You can always get another GTR, and for probably even a better deal than you got your last one for.

And the tires thing is nothing new, people want to act like there not basically R compound tires. The GTR is a car that has been optimized to within an inch of its life to perform the way it does out of the box. They didn't leave the same amount on the table Porsche did with the 996 and 997 Turbo.
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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On a positive note, kudos to Nissan for at least agreeing to buy the car back.
 
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy

All performance arguments aside, the GT-R is not built to last. And when warranties start expiring, the values will plummet due to cost of maintenance vs worth.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Similar to the Audi RS6, which cost $80k new, and can now be had with very low miles for under $30k, partly because of the repair costs associated with them.

I would have sold it back to them, too.
No questions asked.
 
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I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Similar to the Audi RS6, which cost $80k new, and can now be had with very low miles for under $30k, partly because of the repair costs associated with them.

I would have sold it back to them, too.
No questions asked.
i don't know anyone who wouldn't sell it back. When the GT-R warranties start running out I bet the market will be flooded with them
 


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