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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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the 1.99% is available, as far as 09 goes, the new PCM is nice, but the price difference between 08 and 09 is significant, I chose to save the money an get an 07 that I found optioned close to what I wanted.
FYI I know Roslyn Porsche has a huge selection of 09 coupes/cabs on the lot that they are willing to deal on, check their inventory....good luck
 
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The 1.9% is for any "new" turbo -- '08 or '09. I've found the margin on '09 cars to be 7-9%. If you can get any more than that on an '09, I think you'd be doing quite well for yourself. On new '08s you should be able to do closer to 13-15% or more, depending on options.
 
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First lets talk cars , then lets talk price .

1) You already have a C2S . Many here have walked in your shoes including myself . A modded C2S is a very nice car and in 1st and 2nd it can hang awfully close to a stock Turbo . It's not until 3rd the the Turbo pulls away. Is it worth 50, 60, 70, 80 (depending on year/options) grand to have this ? Hell yeah it is !!!!!

2) You can save a lot of money buying a used Turbo but I do understand the apprehension of buying an expensive car with any unknown history .

Take all the time you need and find the car and the deal worth making the jump the best you could ever have with this car.

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Thanks all for the great feedback. I think I'll take my time as many have suggested. Maybe I sell my C2S Cab private party first, then go shopping. The most I've been offered for my car is $55K from a dealer, so I'd probably get a 7 - 10% bump PP.
 
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I've a friend that went from a Boxster, to a 911 cab, to a C2S, to a Turbo, and back to a C2S...all within the model year '08. His reasons for going from a Turbo back to the C2S was primarily, for the money, he didn't feel the power upgrade was worth it. Couple this with the fact that the car feels much heavier, larger, and less nimble. He also didn't care for the overall lines of the car...punched full of holes, spoilers, lips etc...he prefered the much subltler lines of the 911, and didn't like the increase in attention all that "bling" brought with it. Of course all of this is subjective and to each his own. The point is that not all people feel the Turbo is the ultimate Porsche and worth the premium over a fine road car...the C2S.

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I've a friend that went from a Boxster, to a 911 cab, to a C2S, to a Turbo, and back to a C2S...all within the model year '08. His reasons for going from a Turbo back to the C2S was primarily, for the money, he didn't feel the power upgrade was worth it. Couple this with the fact that the car feels much heavier, larger, and less nimble. He also didn't care for the overall lines of the car...punched full of holes, spoilers, lips etc...he prefered the much subltler lines of the 911, and didn't like the increase in attention all that "bling" brought with it. Of course all of this is subjective and to each his own. The point is that not all people feel the Turbo is the ultimate Porsche and worth the premium over a fine road car...the C2S.

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Appreciate all the advice in this thread. This particular post spoke to me, as I'm of the type that may have done something like this in an alter-me-world.

I could not agree more that for me, the price to performance incremental for the turbo is not worth it. I was more impressed though by the lines and "bling" that the turbo brings.

I gotta stay out of the dealers. It's just too intoxicating. I drop my car off for standard service and I'm "this" close to buying a TT. Crazy.

As long as I stay away from the dealers, I shall enjoy my C2S Cab. I'll probably even save money by flatbedding my car in for service (even though it's only 20 miles away) so that I'm not tempted.
 
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Originally Posted by taylorcoleman

I gotta stay out of the dealers. It's just too intoxicating. I drop my car off for standard service and I'm "this" close to buying a TT. Crazy.

As long as I stay away from the dealers, I shall enjoy my C2S Cab. I'll probably even save money by flatbedding my car in for service (even though it's only 20 miles away) so that I'm not tempted.
This site is not very helpful ether.
 
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Originally Posted by taylorcoleman
Thanks all for the great feedback. I think I'll take my time as many have suggested. Maybe I sell my C2S Cab private party first, then go shopping. The most I've been offered for my car is $55K from a dealer, so I'd probably get a 7 - 10% bump PP.
You may be better just trading in your C2S if your state allows you to deduct your trade in from the purchase price of the car. Here in NYC, tax is over 8%. So using your example of getting between 7-10% more in a private sale, would not be worth the extra hassle IMHO. Just another thing to think about. Good Luck.
 
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Originally Posted by taylorcoleman
Appreciate all the advice in this thread. This particular post spoke to me, as I'm of the type that may have done something like this in an alter-me-world.

I could not agree more that for me, the price to performance incremental for the turbo is not worth it. I was more impressed though by the lines and "bling" that the turbo brings.

I gotta stay out of the dealers. It's just too intoxicating. I drop my car off for standard service and I'm "this" close to buying a TT. Crazy.

As long as I stay away from the dealers, I shall enjoy my C2S Cab. I'll probably even save money by flatbedding my car in for service (even though it's only 20 miles away) so that I'm not tempted.
Well -- the "it's just not worth the extra $$" is the excuse that can be made for any car . The guy driving the Hyundai wil use it to rationalize why he chose not to get a Honda. The M3 owner will tout the 25K saved over a 997S.

The emotional logic is the foundation of why most justify why they bought car X over car y . It's not just with cars ..

There a lot of reasons why people adopt compacency and I think one of them is to avoid stress . The Turbo sounds like it's stressful to you but only you would know . I'm just guessing .

In my case if I am not satisfied with a car it's time to reexamine the position and evuate whether or not that lingering feeling of a missed opportunity is worth the price .

The Turbo rocks . I get in my car and have this grin on my face every time i just sit in it . If I had not bought it .. the feeling would have not gone away . I am enjoying the car more than if I had the money that I spent on it.
 
Old Apr 15, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Well -- the "it's just not worth the extra $$" is the excuse that can be made for any car . The guy driving the Hyundai wil use it to rationalize why he chose not to get a Honda. The M3 owner will tout the 25K saved over a 997S.
I think this is an overgeneralization. Sure, some people probably have used "it's just not worth the extra $$" as an excuse to themselves, others, or both, for not being able to afford the higher-end car, when in fact if they could afford it, they would have bought the higher-end car.

I, for one, would buy a Hyundai over a Honda as I could not justify paying the extra $$ for the Honda. As a former E90 M3 owner, I never compared this car to a Porsche, though I understand that some do.

I think my situation is a little different. I already have a 997S, and I'm comparing this to a 997TT. So naturally as part of my analysis I'm comparing the incremental value I realize in the TT over the cost to acquire that value. If cost > value, than I'd choose not to proceed. As part of this analysis, I also consider that I have a modded 2009 C63 that is not in the same class as a TT overall, but from a 0-60, and 1/4 mile perspective, is very similar.

So here is at least one datapoint in favor of your overgeneralization.
 
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Buy a CPO used Turbo otherwise you will lose your butt. Turboes are near impossible to sell in this market. Took me 6 months to "give" mine away. Bought a GT2 and will take another bath on it. BUY USED is the only smart option! Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by summoboy
Go after a low mile CPO 08TT..
Originally Posted by LSM
08 TT Coupes wholesale in the low-mid 90's, and can probably get a nice low mile one for close to 100k ...based on that, I would not buy a new one...no way...
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The best I was able to get was 19% off on an '08 in Socal here, but maybe you can do better in your area but I doubt they will let '09's go at 20% off. Times are really tough for these guys and I know for sure they took a lost on my '08.
I have a neighbor who goes to the auction in PA and you cannot imagine the deals on very low mileage '08 & '09's. The auto industry is even worse off than you hear on MSNBC and the news channels. What a great time to buy!!
 
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OK, here's an update.

I did find a 2009 TT (sticker $139K) and they are offering this to me at $118,150.

The least expensive 2008 TT w/ similar options & low miles I've found thus far is $105,000. But even if I could find a used 2008 for, say, $95K, seems to make sense to buy new for a $20K premium, given resell will have just 1 owner, not 2, and it will be a 2009, vs. a 2008.

So I'm thinking about it.
 
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You never know what life has in store, but the only way I could rationalize buying my '08 new last year was that I was going to keep it forever. So I don't really care about resale. I can't emagine buying one of these cars and only keeping it for a few years and taking a 30-60k depreciation hit, just to buy another one. Seems a waste of money to me. If you keep the car this helps you avoid buying another one, then it can actually save you money in the long run. If you are just going to sell it, buy used or lease.

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Originally Posted by xXxGhotimanxXx
You never know what life has in store, but the only way I could rationalize buying my '08 new last year was that I was going to keep it forever. So I don't really care about resale. I can't emagine buying one of these cars and only keeping it for a few years and takiing a 30-60k depreciation hit, just to buy another one. Seems a waste of money to me. If you keep the car this helps you avoid buying another one, then it can actually save you money in the long run. If you are just going to sell it, buy used or lease.

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Despite a few misspellings, I agree with this comment 100%. I'm going to have my turbo until the wheels fall off. Then I'll buy another.
 


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