Alex...that depreciation is the same as the current model.

In response to Alex,

Where do I start. So you said your car is practically perfect in every way, but have a decent listing of mods done to your current turbo? You also state that you dont need more power or speed? 1. Why did you buy a turbo? 2. Why did you mod the car for power gains?

You also state that the 997.2 is a step up above the gt1 block in the 997.1. Then you say that it is a step down for use in the Turbo?
Confusing.

And finally, as mentioned in my previous response to you Alex...50k depreciation over 3 years (as you stated, not that I agree), isnt much farther off than the current preowned 997 turbos that are up for sale with your GT1 block and those are only 2 years old. What is it that you believe a 2007 911 Turbo (lets say with a $145K retail sticker) will sell for in 2010?

BTW...I value everyone's opinion when based on fact and I would cancel my order if I thought some of these comments were based on unbiased truth, but what I mostly hear, is current 997 Turbo owners defending their investments.

Don't want to start another heated debate, but more expensive doesn't always mean better.

When DVD player first came out, I paid over $400 for one. The one that I'm using now cost $40 and has more functions. That is no way that I will go back to the old design even if it costs less than 20 bucks.

I agree with you that Porsche should charge us less if they're saving on the cost of engine, but for sure they won't do that.

+1 that is exactly my point Tim.

All this speculation and no pics??

I will probably be buying the new one and keeping my current one to add to my stable anyways since i lost my *** on the current one.

Looking forward to seeing what Porsche will have in store for us all.

it may be too early to discuss, but one of my other concerns in purchasing the 997.2 turbo is the modding potential of the new pdk transimission...

Specifically, how much more torque can the new pdk handel. (I will be satsfied if it can reliably handel an ECU + Exhaust tune...)

also, whether the pdk can be tuned by itself. (TCU, or the hardware)

The car is perfect NOW, not before. In stock form I would give the car a rating of 7/10. In modified form it is now 10/10. The stock Turbo has serious flaws for suspension (it uses bottom of the range Bilstein dampeners, I now have top of the range ones), sound (in stock form it's like a vacuum cleaner not a Porsche), and lag (because of the high density cats that have to be fitted to get good emissions the stock exhaust has a high amount of back pressure that is resolved by fitting an aftermarket 200 cell exhaust).
Think of it as a scale 1-10 engine extreme tolerances. The 997.1 Carrera engine would be about a 5 (consumer grade), the new A91 one an 7 out of 10. The 997.1 Turbo/GT3/GT2 engine would be about a 9 (race grade) out of 10. Now if you put Turbo chargers on the A91 then it would still be a 7 out of 10. If you modified a A91 engine to 700bhp (easily within tolerances for the current Turbo engine without changing engine parts) then it would probably blow up after 100 miles. The Current GT1 based engine has been raced over 100s of 1000s of miles over many many years. The new A91 engine hasn't been race proven at all. So yes, a step down.

My point is that if you never sell the car then you don't have to worry about depreciation. You just end up with a great car and more money in your pocket in the long run. The current Turbos are good for 100,000+ miles on the clock.

What with Porsche's current financial problems I would be VERY worried about the quality of the cars they produce in the next few years. That is IF Porsche survives at all. The next year will be crucial.

It is possible that all of the money in modifications you put on your car will have been sorted out on the 997.2. Think about it. It sounds like you believe that porsche just decided to use this A91 engine in this past year? Porsche sales may be down right now, but you don't believe that during some record years 07-08 that porsche was planning on using DFI and PDK? What your telling me is that they "just decided," recently to use this "cost saving" consumer grade engine in light of economic times, and that it has nothing to do with countless hours of R&D and testing? Porsche is quite tight lipped on their future plans, but I'm quite positive of one thing: if they produce a 997.2 DFI Turbo car it will be fantastic and it will probably have sorted out the concerns around turbo lag, suspension, and exhaust note that were previous concerns on 997.1 turbos. The dollars spent (10-40K) on making the current car boast 600-700 horsepower numbers may not be needed using this new powerplant.

On the other hand. I do believe the current turbo is a fantastic car. I hope my point is never clouded here. You all own a 997.1 Turbo, and I could get one from my dealer right now (trust me I have thought about it), but I am waiting for the 997.2 for a reason. My Turbo is not here yet and I have to listen to every current turbo owner justify not buying the new one, and on top of that, listen to the 997.2 turbo be ridiculed and put down. I can only speak of the DFI in naturally aspirated form right now, and it is great. But remember, Im not jumping on the forum and putting down all the 997.1 turbo owners. I suppose everyone is not putting down the next turbo, but the company as a whole. Although change is ALWAYS met by resistance, so I suppose I am not surprised at the negativity created by current Porsche owners.

What is Porsche's motivation, the Turbo is sold as a GT car, I have been told by Porsche many many times that if I want something that handles/sounds better then I should buy a GT3/GT2. The Turbo target market is German businessmen that commute up and down the Autobahns each day. Not for people that want to go fast around corners. It's only the Nissan GT-R that has recently highlighted how bad the handling of the stock Turbo is.

I am not suggesting that Porsche recently decided to make the Turbo PDK compatible and move to a DFI engine. I am suggesting that they have known for a long time that they don't make enough margin on the Turbo to warrant making a car so over-engineered that 95% of buyers wouldn't know the difference. If they could get away with cost cutting on the GT3, don't you think the 997.2 GT3 would have had a DFI engine and not kept the (clearly superior) GT1 based engine? This is the huge indicator that the DFI engine is not yet good/proven enough for a car that spends more time on a track than does the average Carrara/Turbo.

I know for a fact that Porsche had a big project to make a Sports Exhaust for the 997.1 Turbo and they gave up because they couldn't make it sound good enough. So what makes you think that the 997.2 will have a Sports Exhaust option when they have really struggled to bring a PSE out for even the facelift Carreras.

A sports suspension option as I mentioned isn't a concern for Porsche as this is not then a car for thier target market. And the Turbo lag is a result of the back pressure due to EU regulations - something that Porsche can't do anything about.

So all this goes back to either

a) Buy a GT2/GT3 in the first place

or

b) Modify the Turbo to your liking with aftermarket kits - then you lose your warranty and also the new engine and PDK (700Nm limit) will certainly not be able to handle any extra torque from powerkits.

So the time to do option b) is running out very quickly.

are you sure the turbo PDK will have a 700nm limit? the current turbo has 680nm.

that certainly doesn't leave much room for improvement...

I'd say 800nm at least... Porsche is gonna lose a lot of customers if it has 700nm limit...

However, i am sure tuners will find ways to beef up the PDK.

Yes, the company that makes the PDK transmission for Porsche came out with 2 variants. The strongest one had a limit of 700Nm. So you are right, not much headroom for the new model - especially if you start tuning. My Stage II Turbo has around 800Nm torque so there is no way PDK would work with even such a minor modification.

Good luck modding a PDK and those that do will be the first to complain about how unreliable they are

well, I guess its obvious that most 997.1 owners won't be in the market for the 997.2 turbo.
but their opinions may change when the 998 turbo comes out.

My decision on purchasing the 997.2 turbo more or less depends on wether the pdk can handel Stage 2 tuning.

Hey combo don't sweat it, these guys were saying the same thing about 18 inch wheels now there all pushing 20's go figure...

Will the 998 be available in 2010? Forgive me, I'm out of the loop if this has already been discussed.