Champion Motorsport Release 2010 997.2 Twin Turbo Power Kit. With Data
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Greetings,
We have worked many long nights on this one, and we have quite a product to offer.
Since taking delivery of our 2010 997.2 PDK Twin Turbo we have been quietly developing it, and exploring its limits. We are pleased to announce that Step 1 and Step 2 of our power kit are ready for the mainstream.
This is what the power kit covers:
- Champion Motorsport Billet Compressor turbochargers with 68mm 7 blade wheels
- CMS (new for 2010) intercooler upgrade kit including silicon hoses and hardware
- Werks 1 Carbon Y-pipe for 2010 cars
- CMS compressor inlet adapters (increase flow)
- Werks 1 carbon air box for 2010 cars
- CMS exhaust manifolds, 3 into 1 equal length headers
- Tubi Race exhaust system
- GIAC high performance software proprietary to CMS
We spent 3 days on the dyno perfecting the Direct Injection system with our technical partners from GIAC, and the results are quite impressive.
There is much more to this kit than simply the final hardware and the finished ECU tune.
Nearly a year was spent developing this turbocharger waiting for our 997.2 to arrive. Immediately the units were fitted and instrumentation was added to the car to determine critical data such as: compressor inlet
depression, Pre and post Turbine pressures, and a myriad of other vital pieces of data. Realizing the strengths and weaknesses of this new car, inlet pipes have been re-engineered with simple to install adapters for
correcting the pressure drop at the compressor inlet, manifolds were designed and built (several revisions to perfect the design) to maximize boost response with these large compressors, etc...
What we have accomplished is a 997.2 that brings in Peak power and torque instantly. We have also done this without taxing any of the OEM protections within the standard control unit. We are running safe VTG vane
frequencies, Exhaust gas temperatures at or below 860C which is a full 100C before corrections begin, Charge temperatures at or below 34C both on the dyno and on high load road testing, and knock activity is
insignificant. We are able to achieve this as a result of our turbocharger and intercooler efficiency. Another interesting point is that all of our testing is conducted on 93octane pump fuel. The good news is that we
reached a mechanical limit of the car before we reached the limits of our power kit, so there is simply no need for a "race mode" yet !!!
On to that Mechanical limit... We very clearly found the limits of the PDK clutch system. We specifically used a PDK example for our test car, as all of the next generation of Turbo-S 997.2's will be PDK, and we figured we
had better start a program now. What we found is that at 575 ft-lb of torque, as well as right at 590 whp the PDK clutches just let go. We are already working on an upgrade to the PDK clutch pack, but I have no more
to report on with that yet.
As you can see from the Graph that I posted, we made some very sizable gains in performance. Our baseline numbers on our 500 mile break in car came in at 431 peak WHP, and 425 ft-bs of torque. We are confused how
our numbers are so dramatically lower than other tuners have posted, as we all seem to be using Mustang 4 Wheel Chassis Dyno's, but we feel that these numbers are correct and inline with what Porsche publishes of the
standard car in regard to crankshaft measured power output. Basically, we do not feel that the car is over-rated from the manufacturer; it is just that great of a car..
In reference to the graph, what we plan to offer is a Step 1 Kit for PDK owners which will output 542 whp and 527 ft-lbs torque, and for Manual transmission car owners we will offer a Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals.
Our kits are always conservative, as this is our business plan. We believe that this kit will out perform our own posted numbers on most dyno's in this country and we will promote our customers to test their cars. I can
tell you from first hand experience that a 997.2 PDK with 540+ ( I have driven it at the full 598 carefully) WHP is an exhilarating ride. The traction control struggles to keep up, and all this in a car that will run a standing
1/4 mile in 11.0 seconds stock !!
We have a date scheduled for track testing, both on the drag strip in controlled conditions, and on the road course. We will have a v-box fitted for collecting real publishable data, and when we have collected it we will
post it for all to see. There will be journalists present to test the car with the highest international credentials, so you can be sure the results will be true.
Below are some photos of some of the products during development, production parts will vary slightly physically (ie hand built manifolds) to control costs. There will be more to come, and we will keep this thread updated
with further developments. The basic kits are ready for sale, and we are taking orders now. In house installs can be scheduled immediately.
Questions or comments, please contact me directly.
We have worked many long nights on this one, and we have quite a product to offer.
Since taking delivery of our 2010 997.2 PDK Twin Turbo we have been quietly developing it, and exploring its limits. We are pleased to announce that Step 1 and Step 2 of our power kit are ready for the mainstream.
This is what the power kit covers:
- Champion Motorsport Billet Compressor turbochargers with 68mm 7 blade wheels
- CMS (new for 2010) intercooler upgrade kit including silicon hoses and hardware
- Werks 1 Carbon Y-pipe for 2010 cars
- CMS compressor inlet adapters (increase flow)
- Werks 1 carbon air box for 2010 cars
- CMS exhaust manifolds, 3 into 1 equal length headers
- Tubi Race exhaust system
- GIAC high performance software proprietary to CMS
We spent 3 days on the dyno perfecting the Direct Injection system with our technical partners from GIAC, and the results are quite impressive.
There is much more to this kit than simply the final hardware and the finished ECU tune.
Nearly a year was spent developing this turbocharger waiting for our 997.2 to arrive. Immediately the units were fitted and instrumentation was added to the car to determine critical data such as: compressor inlet
depression, Pre and post Turbine pressures, and a myriad of other vital pieces of data. Realizing the strengths and weaknesses of this new car, inlet pipes have been re-engineered with simple to install adapters for
correcting the pressure drop at the compressor inlet, manifolds were designed and built (several revisions to perfect the design) to maximize boost response with these large compressors, etc...
What we have accomplished is a 997.2 that brings in Peak power and torque instantly. We have also done this without taxing any of the OEM protections within the standard control unit. We are running safe VTG vane
frequencies, Exhaust gas temperatures at or below 860C which is a full 100C before corrections begin, Charge temperatures at or below 34C both on the dyno and on high load road testing, and knock activity is
insignificant. We are able to achieve this as a result of our turbocharger and intercooler efficiency. Another interesting point is that all of our testing is conducted on 93octane pump fuel. The good news is that we
reached a mechanical limit of the car before we reached the limits of our power kit, so there is simply no need for a "race mode" yet !!!
On to that Mechanical limit... We very clearly found the limits of the PDK clutch system. We specifically used a PDK example for our test car, as all of the next generation of Turbo-S 997.2's will be PDK, and we figured we
had better start a program now. What we found is that at 575 ft-lb of torque, as well as right at 590 whp the PDK clutches just let go. We are already working on an upgrade to the PDK clutch pack, but I have no more
to report on with that yet.
As you can see from the Graph that I posted, we made some very sizable gains in performance. Our baseline numbers on our 500 mile break in car came in at 431 peak WHP, and 425 ft-bs of torque. We are confused how
our numbers are so dramatically lower than other tuners have posted, as we all seem to be using Mustang 4 Wheel Chassis Dyno's, but we feel that these numbers are correct and inline with what Porsche publishes of the
standard car in regard to crankshaft measured power output. Basically, we do not feel that the car is over-rated from the manufacturer; it is just that great of a car..
In reference to the graph, what we plan to offer is a Step 1 Kit for PDK owners which will output 542 whp and 527 ft-lbs torque, and for Manual transmission car owners we will offer a Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals.
Our kits are always conservative, as this is our business plan. We believe that this kit will out perform our own posted numbers on most dyno's in this country and we will promote our customers to test their cars. I can
tell you from first hand experience that a 997.2 PDK with 540+ ( I have driven it at the full 598 carefully) WHP is an exhilarating ride. The traction control struggles to keep up, and all this in a car that will run a standing
1/4 mile in 11.0 seconds stock !!
We have a date scheduled for track testing, both on the drag strip in controlled conditions, and on the road course. We will have a v-box fitted for collecting real publishable data, and when we have collected it we will
post it for all to see. There will be journalists present to test the car with the highest international credentials, so you can be sure the results will be true.
Below are some photos of some of the products during development, production parts will vary slightly physically (ie hand built manifolds) to control costs. There will be more to come, and we will keep this thread updated
with further developments. The basic kits are ready for sale, and we are taking orders now. In house installs can be scheduled immediately.
Questions or comments, please contact me directly.
Photos of Development
Photos of final revision on Manifold (header)
Final Post of the evening.. Wow after 11pm already !!
Intercooler near oem fitment...
Just trimming of the inner plastic lip required of the shrouds.
Intercooler near oem fitment...
Just trimming of the inner plastic lip required of the shrouds.
I bet she goes like stink
Thankyou for the compliments.
To anyone interested, I just started a new thread containing a link to a video that in detail explains our latest intercooler technology.
Thank You
To anyone interested, I just started a new thread containing a link to a video that in detail explains our latest intercooler technology.
Thank You
Excellent quality...
I guess the stock 997.2TT can handle 700hp with stock internals as per the post
"Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals."
"Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals."
Of course we cannot say what the mechanical limit is of a 997.2 Twin Turbo Engine. What I will say is that our ECU software as programmed by GIAC is very conservative, and maintains all of the factory failsafe systems 100%.
I cannot comment on failures that other tuners may have experienced as I do not know the conditions that they have tested under, and I personally have not heard of these failures yet.
I do know what our testing has covered, and I know that we have been putting our test car through it's paces, along with another customer car that is out on the streets running a high level of tuning as well. At this time we have nothing to report. We believe in responsible marketing, and we are certainly not in the business of selling volitile combinations. As you can see how far down we backed the PDK tune until a suitable clutch solution is achieved.
I also have a difficult time believing that Porsche would release the Turbo-S at 530hp when they know they engines fail at 550hp. This does not sound like Porsche, and think of how many cars with exhaust and reflash would already be in trouble.
We will continue to run our test car and we will post results as things develop.
I cannot comment on failures that other tuners may have experienced as I do not know the conditions that they have tested under, and I personally have not heard of these failures yet.
I do know what our testing has covered, and I know that we have been putting our test car through it's paces, along with another customer car that is out on the streets running a high level of tuning as well. At this time we have nothing to report. We believe in responsible marketing, and we are certainly not in the business of selling volitile combinations. As you can see how far down we backed the PDK tune until a suitable clutch solution is achieved.
I also have a difficult time believing that Porsche would release the Turbo-S at 530hp when they know they engines fail at 550hp. This does not sound like Porsche, and think of how many cars with exhaust and reflash would already be in trouble.
We will continue to run our test car and we will post results as things develop.
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I am not a fan of Carbon Fiber in the engine bay of our Cars, but WOW!! That airbox/intake is a work of Art... Nice going guys... Originally Posted by Louis@Champion
Photos of Development
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I cannot comment on failures that other tuners may have experienced as I do not know the conditions that they have tested under, and I personally have not heard of these failures yet.
I do know what our testing has covered, and I know that we have been putting our test car through it's paces, along with another customer car that is out on the streets running a high level of tuning as well. At this time we have nothing to report. We believe in responsible marketing, and we are certainly not in the business of selling volitile combinations. As you can see how far down we backed the PDK tune until a suitable clutch solution is achieved.
I also have a difficult time believing that Porsche would release the Turbo-S at 530hp when they know they engines fail at 550hp. This does not sound like Porsche, and think of how many cars with exhaust and reflash would already be in trouble.
We will continue to run our test car and we will post results as things develop.
I agree 100% with youOriginally Posted by Louis@Champion
Of course we cannot say what the mechanical limit is of a 997.2 Twin Turbo Engine. What I will say is that our ECU software as programmed by GIAC is very conservative, and maintains all of the factory failsafe systems 100%.I cannot comment on failures that other tuners may have experienced as I do not know the conditions that they have tested under, and I personally have not heard of these failures yet.
I do know what our testing has covered, and I know that we have been putting our test car through it's paces, along with another customer car that is out on the streets running a high level of tuning as well. At this time we have nothing to report. We believe in responsible marketing, and we are certainly not in the business of selling volitile combinations. As you can see how far down we backed the PDK tune until a suitable clutch solution is achieved.
I also have a difficult time believing that Porsche would release the Turbo-S at 530hp when they know they engines fail at 550hp. This does not sound like Porsche, and think of how many cars with exhaust and reflash would already be in trouble.
We will continue to run our test car and we will post results as things develop.
do you think that 997.2 TT will maintain 600hp normally and safely?
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In reference to the graph, what we plan to offer is a Step 1 Kit for PDK owners which will output 542 whp and 527 ft-lbs torque, and for Manual transmission car owners we will offer a Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals.
Beautiful and impressive! Somehow Originally Posted by Louis@Champion
In reference to the graph, what we plan to offer is a Step 1 Kit for PDK owners which will output 542 whp and 527 ft-lbs torque, and for Manual transmission car owners we will offer a Step 2 Kit producing 598 whp, and
579 ft-lbs of torque (clutch upgrade required and available). This is well into the 700hp range on pump fuel, without modifications to engine internals.
I think this will become one of the very top US tuning programs. I cross posted your thread to another forum, if you don't mind.http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread...rbo/page1.html
The ECU tune is done by GIAC? Specific to Champion Motorsport hardware in this powerkit?
Does "Step 1" kit mean ECU tune only, and "Step 2" means ECU and exhaust? I assume the GIAC tune for these lower level kits would be more universal?
WOW! Parts look great Louis!
The manifolds look very sturdy! I like the webbing on the flanges for added strength!
Looking forward to seeing what hp will jump to when you upgrade the clutch discs! SSP seems to be making upgraded cluch discs for all cars with dual clutch transmissions.
The manifolds look very sturdy! I like the webbing on the flanges for added strength!
Looking forward to seeing what hp will jump to when you upgrade the clutch discs! SSP seems to be making upgraded cluch discs for all cars with dual clutch transmissions.