Ok cann pls see in bold as 1) 2) 3)

1) Translated should be a prerequisite for sure. Bad Joke? Well not being able to use them to wipe your backside basically rendered them entirely useless as you certainly couldn't make any other sense from them .From my recollection its been a couple of years now so maybe things have changed since then but i recall seeing only a tiny fold out made of cigarette paper thin instructions....if thats what they were? There were a couple of tiny diagrams which indicated they could of perhaps been some form of pathetic basic instruction for an expert to follow. I was a little surprise actually.

2) Ok i revisited your post/s. Mine were definitely installed using my oem top bearings so why Chris's installer didn't use them i don't know. Its been yonks since we've spoken on the phone about it. The last we spoke he phoned to ask had i ever experienced any clunking and i said no.

3) I hear what you say re other offerings and the various pitfalls associated to mods of any kind but there are good and there are better. As with tunes i don't see all as blowing motors. So with suspension set ups im sure some are better sorted than others. Anyway I still believe manufacturers/ resellers should advise buyers of issues to watch out for when installing or, at the very least provide detailed "english" instructions....when being sold in english speaking countries. It would save a lot of heartache and angst .
I see you have gone to a fair degree of detail in your spring rates so am not surprised to hear you have a good result. I also found my set up quite good for the track if somewhat "jiggy" for street use....was great on billiard table road surfaces but on country blacktop with bumps and lumps they can be tiresome. A bit like a buggy ride. I only took them off as i sold the car and they still being so new etc had a chance to recover some of the outlay . Chris scored himself a bargain i thought .

 

Just to add something to the aftermarket suspension knowledge pool, and my car is a 996TT, I installed the Moton Clubsports with monoball mounts and TRG drop links about 2 years ago. I always have some low speed suspension sounds, springs I think, but as soon as there is some aero load on the car, all noises disappear.

The sound being made in the vid where the steering wheel is being turned side to side sounds like the springs loading and unloading to me.

 

Speed21, I re-installed my tried and true gmg springs. My lap times went right back where they were. I have the complete gmg track package, adding gt3 LCAs now for even more negative camber, couldn't be happier with the on track performance.
I would not recommend bilsteins to anybody who seriously tracks their cars, unless it's the tpc modded version. The best track setup imo would be springs/LCAs/UCAs/TLs or Moton, Penske's are even better.

 

That's exactly what it is. That's why the tech felt that it would be best to put in teflon washers.

 

Thank you Can. Maybe you can "gas" me to relieve the pain

 

.....but given the circumstances its no laughing matter.

Maybe TT's solution of turfing the Bilsteins and going to the GMG springs is a solution worthy of consideration?

And that 2500 "brother in law deal" may indicate a caveat somewhere?

 

I think the going price is less than 3k anyway, so 2500 is an average price.

 

Jackson paid 10k a week for this (for rather suboptimal care); what's your offer Larry?

I was merely suggesting returning totally to stock as a diagnostic process, because that sound is so strange and unlike any coilover clunk that I've read about. In addition, if it's damper failure you car would be have such oscillation at any temperature and immediately, which your car doesn't, no? Is it positively not in the steering system?
Anyway, so they've re-built the dampers, and they are back on your car, and you just haven't had the time to test it adequately?

Vivid Racing now lists the Bilstein at 3250 (used to be 2500??) so the price hike I think is not that much. Frannkly I am surprised Bilstein haven't jacked it up more; to offer a lifetime warranty on a wear item like coilover doesn't seem like a good business move. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their policy in the future.

 

You want to pay to have this done? That's not going to be cheap.

 

Well, the Bilstein was out anyway, so it's the cost of installing the old system and an alignment right? The charge would be 850 or so?
Can't remember the cost of sway bar installation, but maybe 200-300 (correct me as needed)?
This just seems a good trade-off for one year of suffering and multiple diagnostic steps that Larry has gone through.

The main thing is that sound is so strange -- I could certainly be wrong but it just seems like it could be something we're not thinking about, so far.

 

Well, obviously it's too late now.

 

1. Hey Paul, I finally got a hold of the Bilstein manual (it was in another house), and I have been completely wrong . Not only there is a manual, it has step by step instruction, complete with detailed diagrams, in English, with clear labels on OEM parts to re-use. I'll scan a page when I am not so lazy. In fact, the diagram even shows that infamous "drbrent" washer, as well as the stock bearing that is supposed to be re-used.

2. So in the C2 there is an OEM bearing and the installer simply forgot to install? I am now more convinced than ever we should never let any rookie touch our car. I've come across a number of suspension problem posts where bushings/parts are missing. So dangerous. I am also convinced that while some are legit, a large number of suspension related problems (not here with Jason/Larry's problem -- their installer is the real thing, in fact I looked at Jason's pictures of installation when I was investigating Bilstein), whether with KW, or Moton, or Bilstein, are directly related to the competence, or lack thereof, of the installers.

3. Sure. While blowing motor is an extreme example, there could be more problems with our tunes than we know about since the evaluation is very difficult (time trial is very hard to evaluate, so is power and shape of curve, subjective feel, subtle hiccup and hesitation, etc.). I do sometimes wonder if we datalog any pre-packaged ECU tune systems (as opposed to one that's been custom tune), what would we see and would the results scare us. Or whether it means anything.

 

1) An installation manual? Wow Cann how come you got one and i didn't?? I'd love to see it and what it represents detail wise. Seems like a lot of Damptronic kit purchasers mustn't have got a manual either going by the string of reported issues of bearings and other things being left out . That all could have been avoided if the manual was provided in the kit so Bilstein is still at fault there.

2) Maybe post the install page on Chris's thread to show him. He may need to get rid of the needle rollers then and put the OEM bearings back. I still think if the instructions were given/supplied in the kit that would allow a rookie to do the job without making a mess out of things.

 

1. Paul, yes, see scanned page below. Both the "drbrent" washer and the top bearing are clearly labeled with "OE." I can't speak for Australia Bilstein but every US set should come with one. Maybe call your dealer and ask them to open a box and look? It does sort of look like toilet paper so you might have tossed it accidentally?

2. You mean Chris, your ex-friend? (Just kidding! ) I posted but he hasn't answered. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...fixed-diy.html
Regardless, I believe Turbo/C4S Bilstein is different from the C2 Bilstein set you sold to Chris, so my manual is no good for him. He might want to call Australia Bilstein and get a manual to be sure.

 

Casey, that's one great VIR clip. That car is really moving!
Is the motor stock otherwise?