Modded VTGs - What Is Upgraded and What Parts are Best
#49
01-04-2011, 11:46 AM
Whats the difference between the 9ff & Cargraphic CF inlets anyone know are they bigger ? i was just got quoted 1500 euro with out tax for the 9ff ones which won't be available for 2 weeks & the Evo's which are 8 weeks out & the Evo's are silicone hoses & on there site they say an average of only 6% airflow gain which just seems like nothing.Anyone know the airflow gains of the carbon pipes.
Last edited by twturbo; 01-04-2011 at 12:10 PM.
#50
01-04-2011, 12:22 PM
i Got mine for 2000euro from 9FF
. This is one of the reasons i hate European tuners, they just rob us. I could clearly see that they just used the stock plastic hoses to create the shape and then put them together. Manufacturing cost should be less than 200euro for both. It was also very difficult to install them since they were hitting BRVs.
The Techart hoses can only be sold with their power kit but my local TA dealer gave me a set which was 1000000 times better finish than the 9ff ones but that was after i installed the 9FF ones I didn't use them so i gave them back. I have a friend who can build anything on C/F and i'm sure he can do those too for much less
. This is one of the reasons i hate European tuners, they just rob us. I could clearly see that they just used the stock plastic hoses to create the shape and then put them together. Manufacturing cost should be less than 200euro for both. It was also very difficult to install them since they were hitting BRVs.The Techart hoses can only be sold with their power kit but my local TA dealer gave me a set which was 1000000 times better finish than the 9ff ones but that was after i installed the 9FF ones I didn't use them so i gave them back. I have a friend who can build anything on C/F and i'm sure he can do those too for much less
#51
01-04-2011, 12:37 PM
i Got mine for 2000euro from 9FF. This is one of the reasons i hate European tuners, they just rob us. I could clearly see that they just used the stock plastic hoses to create the shape and then put them together. Manufacturing cost should be less than 200euro for both. It was also very difficult to install them since they were hitting BRVs.
The Techart hoses can only be sold with their power kit but my local TA dealer gave me a set which was 1000000 times better finish than the 9ff ones but that was after i installed the 9FF ones I didn't use them so i gave them back. I have a friend who can build anything on C/F and i'm sure he can do those too for much less
. This is one of the reasons i hate European tuners, they just rob us. I could clearly see that they just used the stock plastic hoses to create the shape and then put them together. Manufacturing cost should be less than 200euro for both. It was also very difficult to install them since they were hitting BRVs.The Techart hoses can only be sold with their power kit but my local TA dealer gave me a set which was 1000000 times better finish than the 9ff ones but that was after i installed the 9FF ones I didn't use them so i gave them back. I have a friend who can build anything on C/F and i'm sure he can do those too for much less
#52
01-04-2011, 12:48 PM
Yes but what if any are the airflow gains from stock ? on any of these, is one better than others finish isn't that important as you can barely see them in the engine bay.
Last edited by twturbo; 01-04-2011 at 12:50 PM.
#53
01-04-2011, 01:13 PM
no idea but bigger turbos need more air to breath and I feel better with this it
#54
01-04-2011, 01:27 PM
The turbo inlet pipes are definitely a worthwhile upgrade. Think of it this way, when you're in boost, your turbos aren't simply taking whatever air is available in the airbox, they are actually sucking air in. If that flow of air isn't available, the turbos have to work much harder which leads to decreased efficiency and more heat. A consequence of that is a loss of power.
Using a good aftermarket turbo inlet pipe significantly relieves that stress on the turbos, letting them operating much more efficiently.
#55
01-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Agreed but the 6% average gain on the Evo's seems barely worth the effort of the labor ,which is why I wonder what the carbons offer
#56
01-04-2011, 01:46 PM
The turbo inlet pipes are definitely a worthwhile upgrade. Think of it this way, when you're in boost, your turbos aren't simply taking whatever air is available in the airbox, they are actually sucking air in. If that flow of air isn't available, the turbos have to work much harder which leads to decreased efficiency and more heat. A consequence of that is a loss of power.
Using a good aftermarket turbo inlet pipe significantly relieves that stress on the turbos, letting them operating much more efficiently.
Using a good aftermarket turbo inlet pipe significantly relieves that stress on the turbos, letting them operating much more efficiently.
Last edited by twturbo; 01-04-2011 at 08:39 PM.
#59
01-05-2011, 07:00 AM
No, from pictures i have seen they differ a lot. Also 9FF ones come without the flexible tube which connects to the airbox, were Cargraphic offers their own flexible tube
#60
01-05-2011, 08:35 AM
Former Vendor
Sure thing! I just spoke to our engineer and he is going to prepare some flow charts and data for me to share with you guys as soon as he's done with a few parts he's designing...
We have several sets of the inlet pipes on local cars already. Remember each one is hand made and takes a bit of time since it's a pretty complicated mold. As soon as I have some inventory, I'll post up nice pictures and pricing info.