Sure thing. Boost is set to just shy of 23 psi, and during testing we used both 93 octane pump fuel and 100 octane VP race fuel. Those numbers were made using race fuel.

Honestly, we believe that anything beyond this power level is simply not safe for the internals of the engine, unless upgraded.

Both of giadomi and Arone997tt's cars also have built tip trannies, and our carbon turbo inlet pipes.

I'm sure there are non-vtg cars out there making similar, and of course more, power. But what makes our kit different is obviously the fact that we maintain the use of VTG turbochargers. Eventually you have to ask yourself....are you willing to sacrifice power delivery and driveability for a few extra horsepower? Our cars start, idle, and drive exactly like the stock car. Power delivery is smooth and constant with power coming on early in the rpm's. It's something you can't simply achieve with non-VTG turbos.

 

I'm not sure about 91 octane, but on 93 we're able to get about 640-650 at the wheels on the Mustang.

With a 6 speed car the results can be a lot higher. Even with the built transmissions, the tiptronic itself is still always slipping, so there's a certain degree of power loss just because of the nature of the trans itself. Our 6 speed car on the exact same setup produces 715 awp consistently on race fuel. Unfortunately the hardware limitations in the tiptronic make that impossible with this same kit. Still, the power output is impressive.

 

Very good information here for those of us who may be considering a 7TT as well

 

I try to be as forthcoming as possible with all the information pertaining to these kits. Obviously there's sometimes a small disconnect between myself and the guys in the back (Louis, Tim, Chris) that are engineering and building these parts. I am by no means an expert, but they certainly are, so if there's ever any info that I don't know, I'm happy to get it.

And as I said...anyone that's in the area is always more then welcome to stop by and check out the shop, parts, or projects in person.

 

There is a car here on the foprum running on gt3076 turbos doing sub 10 1/4 mile and the builded tip does not slip

 

I think he is just talking about the slippage inherent in all automatic transmissions when the torque converter is not locked (which it usually is not). This fact alone means it is putting less power to the ground...

Never missing a shift and never losing boost is awesome on the street, but doesn't help on the dyno

 

If you're referring to the car I think you're referring to, that car has a locking torque converter installed. You can due this to eliminate the slip in each gear, but then daily drivability is seriously sacrificed. Otherwise, the tiptronic is always slipping a certain amount, in every gear.

 

Looks like that 17500 cost was a "special" that ended at the end of 2010. Even if it is still good, just be aware it doesn't include exhaust (although I don't know if the GT price includes exhaust either).

I love threads like this since I'm sitting on the sidelines with money in the bank waiting to upgrade. But the dyno numbers aren't what's gonna get me to spend, it's the 60-130, 100-200km/h, and 1/4 mile times/traps. Why is it that the 996tt guys are getting the mid-5 60-130 times??? C'mon 997tters, let's show them how it's done! (just kidding, the 996tters have obviously got some wicked turbos on their cars). I'm most interested in the upgraded kit that gives max improvement in 60-130 on pump (94 octane here) gas and will spend the $$$ as soon as I see some numbers, preferably with vgts (I just don't want to get into boost controllers, lines etc..)

Too bad that the other thread had to be "killed" to avoid showing times for cars with particular tuners. Maybe we can start a "pump gas" list for 60-130 as I think many here would be interested in the best bang for the buck with pump gas.

 

GT price includes
The system includes:

1 Protomotive X-Pipe exhaust, quad 3.0" tips, Dual 4.0" tips for GT2

1 pair of Protomotive 5.0" core intercoolers

1 Core exchange factory exhaust modded for Garrett Turbos and TiAl wg's

2 Tial 44mm Wastegates

2 Billet Diverter Valves

1 Protomotive intake plumbing, 3.0" fenderwell intakes, 2.5" hardpiping from i/c's to 3.5" ypipe.

2 K&N air filters

1 Protomotive ECU programming

1 Water line adapter kit

1 Oil line adapter/restrictors for bb Garretts

1 Protomotive Garrett to factory turbo hangers

1 Greddy Profec Bspec 2

1 Complete hardware kit, hose clamps, nuts, bolts, couplers.

System Photo shown with Optional headers

Phenomenal acceleration and drivability. Light years ahead of upgraded VGT's.

703whp with standard gt3071's through a tiptronic!

771whp on a tiptronic with upgraded 3076 and injectors, that's 900hp at the crank!

 

I'm sure the full-out acceleration of the GT3071/76 beats the snot out of the vtgs but for the rest of the time when you're driving I think these turbos don't have a lot of oomph much below 4k rpm (from looking at dyno plots and reading some owners' impressions). While that may not matter to some it does matter a hell of a lot to me so I wouldn't go for these as my first choice. just my opinion. Gotta find what suits your driving style best.

 

I would definitely put Champion on your list along with Evoms. The Proto kit sounds good but has more points of possible failure with all the additional fluid lines if attention is not given to these during install.

In the end all are great choices and your decision depends on your goals, I would add Switzer to the list for the non-vtg category.

 

I guess I'll throw out my budget and this will be some of the reasonings behind my choices... I want to stay around $25g's for everything...I'm not afraid to do some of the install work myself if not all of it...Some of my main concerns is reliability...Every tuner seems to have a different number in mind on what the stock internals can hold...I think a good tune plays a major factor in this as well...If you have a bad tuner, then you run a higher risk of failure!

 

Too bad that the other thread had to be "killed" to avoid showing times for cars with particular tuners. Maybe we can start a "pump gas" list for 60-130 as I think many here would be interested in the best bang for the buck with pump gas.[/quote]


+1 on this.

We can do a threat on 997tt section with 60-130, 100-200, 1/4mile Mile runs just don't mention/discuss tuners

 

Well, I thought the other thread would be useful too but the moderators felt that it would be too explosive and that it would just deteriorate into flame wars based on previous experience with 996tt forum. I appealed saying that much time has passed, we all know who the players are, there's much more to it than just times, and that this is the 997tt forum and we are all mature adults, right guys? I can understand their desire of wanting to close it but I don't necessarily agree that it should have been done so abrubtly without giving it a chance. So much for becoming a sticky--lol.

 

My 0.02:

Why isn't Switzer on the list with its P800 kit?It should fit in the budget as well.