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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 06:10 AM
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rfrench - congrats! sounds like a great bang of the buck mod. Just curious if you had other modifications prior to the ECU (e.g. intake exhaust etc)?

Thanks

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Decided to add a bit more power and upgrade the ECU using the softronic OBDII approach. Really worth it! You can read my rationale on my:
http://www.richardfrench.net/2011/03...ading-the-ecu/

Took less than 5 minutes to upload the new tuned map via the OBDII cable and flashing software.

Immediately took the car out for a drive and went to the nearest highway, accelerated up the on-ramp, quickly moved over a few lanes – with so much torque, and amazing responsiveness of the throttle, I was pushed quickly into the back of the seat (even more than normal) and reached an amazing speed without even realizing it. So much smoother. My only reaction is WOW!

I’m heading to the Laguna Seca next week and can’t wait to see how it does exiting the corners and on the main straightaway.
 
Old Mar 3, 2011 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TT Surgeon
Just be sure that the o2 sensors, etc are turned on. Often they are turned off or their thresholds raised to a level that will never pass state inspection.
Softronic doesn't alter the O2s so it doesn't get past emissions.. I had explained this several times in the past and will again. While you didn't mention Softronic directly you use the same post in a Softronic thread continually.

Softronic does NOT alter the pre O2 sensors.... The post O2 sensors only measure Cat efficiency and nothing more. These by Porsche hadn't even been used for most of all the European files until recently. The euro cars had cats yet no post O2 sensors at all. I guess you could say Porsche eliminated them or altered those also. These work when plugged in and have the cat efficiency set or monitor correctly. When the car is checked via the OBD2 port it passes emissions.

For the people in Cali that have a smog test also in which a tail pipe probe is used it is measured directly from the exhaust. This test will fail any car that has had the cats removed or changed to ones that are not efficient in that they would cause a CEL normally. Basically in this case if you put brand X cat on and continue to get a CEL you would not pass the smog with or without any aftermarket software or as stock. This test is also not checked at idle yet under load in which enrichment would be used.

Softronic also sends the customer the original file so it can always be loaded if so desired so you can use the Tuned file or not.

Perhaps the OP can check his Ready Status for emissions with his Durametric and post?

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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 07:41 AM
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Scott, one of your 'vendors' has made that point several times that ST manipulates the threshold o2 sensors , in order to avoid CELs. You should probably correct that vendor. I've mentioned this with several flashes, not just ST.
Yes, the readiness codes from the OP would be nice.
 
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Vendor? Vivid? What I tell people is Softronic alters the limits of the O2 sensor (did not say which ones) in the file so that you do not get a CEL from catless pipes or high flow cats. Anything in regards to emissions the customer should flash back to the original file provided. Any other mods could affect your emisisons as well.
 
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Originally Posted by TT Surgeon
Scott, one of your 'vendors' has made that point several times that ST manipulates the threshold o2 sensors , in order to avoid CELs. You should probably correct that vendor. I've mentioned this with several flashes, not just ST.
Yes, the readiness codes from the OP would be nice.
OK point well taken. The CEL would be from Cat efficiency and in regards to the Post O2 sensors. For the record the conditions that set this fault can be adjusted for cars that race or have a CEL from this specific error. This though would not cause an Emissions problem unless you removed the cats as an example. This will never pass a tail pipe test regardless of the software being factory or aftermarket.
Generally you pass with 1 not set to Ready status and up two 2 depending on the year and state, however you would always fail with a CEL.


While Vendors sell Softronic software on many levels they do not make it. Softronic is a separate business.

Should anyone have questions call me directly in CT M-F 9-5 EST 203-723-8928. Sometimes a phone call works better than emails and posts.

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Vivid Racing now offers a new tuning system which you can read more about at www.vrtuned.com. We are no longer affiliated with Softronic or represent their product.
 

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Originally Posted by sbkim
rfrench - congrats! sounds like a great bang of the buck mod. Just curious if you had other modifications prior to the ECU (e.g. intake exhaust etc)?

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On my 2007 turbo I have made no mods yet. Plan to mod exhaust, intake and perhaps add larger turbos later. My understanding is that the tuned ecu will take advantage of these mods.
 
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Hey, I've done this testing - tail probe from exhaust, mandatory emission testing in Ontario. I don't know if this will pass CA standards, but here are scans attached. All results for stock exhaust:

idle CO
factory 0 Softronic 1.18

2500 rpm CO
factory 0.29 Softronic 2.05

HC ppm idle
factory 13 Softronic 26

HC ppm 2500 rpm
factory 20 Softronic 30

This failed me in Ontario...


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Softronic doesn't alter the O2s so it doesn't get past emissions.. I had explained this several times in the past and will again. While you didn't mention Softronic directly you use the same post in a Softronic thread continually.

Softronic does NOT alter the pre O2 sensors.... The post O2 sensors only measure Cat efficiency and nothing more. These by Porsche hadn't even been used for most of all the European files until recently. The euro cars had cats yet no post O2 sensors at all. I guess you could say Porsche eliminated them or altered those also. These work when plugged in and have the cat efficiency set or monitor correctly. When the car is checked via the OBD2 port it passes emissions.

For the people in Cali that have a smog test also in which a tail pipe probe is used it is measured directly from the exhaust. This test will fail any car that has had the cats removed or changed to ones that are not efficient in that they would cause a CEL normally. Basically in this case if you put brand X cat on and continue to get a CEL you would not pass the smog with or without any aftermarket software or as stock. This test is also not checked at idle yet under load in which enrichment would be used.

Softronic also sends the customer the original file so it can always be loaded if so desired so you can use the Tuned file or not.

Perhaps the OP can check his Ready Status for emissions with his Durametric and post?

Best Regards,
Scott
 
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 08:55 AM
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I'll use the Durametric software and check the emission readiness codes later this afternoon (PT) and post on this thread.
 
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Softronic flashes your ECU like ANY other company to give you increase horsepower and torque. To get this, variables are changed in the cars computer which increases power by almost 80HP. Everyone asks, why doesnt Porsche do this. Its to mean emissions standards, fuel economy, etc. Nobody promotes performance parts as GREEN. Softronic conveniently supplies customers with their stock file and tuned file. So if they have to do emissions, sell the car, go to the dealer, etc, they can flash back to stock. Emissions are different in every state and of course country. The issue here is not emissions. But rFrench, we appreciate what real results you will show.

When you add 80HP and 80ft/lbs of torque to your car, other parts may need to be upgraded depending on your driving style, mileage, etc. The first common one is the spark plugs, the second being the clutch. A majority of the 996TT flash customers and 997TT flash customers do not have to upgrade the clutch right away. But now that the cars have higher mileage on them and people picking them up used and abused, it is more common.
 
Old Mar 3, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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guys , me and many guys in kuwait used softronic tune in our cars !

we did not Suffer any problems , we were happy alot

Krim he is member in 6speed has 997.2 , its the fastest PDK 997 in the wrold , he is running softronic tune ..

softronic is amazing tune ,, when i ran stage 1 ( softronic tune + exhaust ) my car was very very fast i was happy alot !!!

now , am running bigger turbos ( 800HP + )

and i got custom tune from softronic via data logging and than fine tune ... and all what i can say ..

BIG THANKS TO SOFTRONIC
 
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Originally Posted by zdimic
Hey, I've done this testing - tail probe from exhaust, mandatory emission testing in Ontario. I don't know if this will pass CA standards, but here are scans attached. All results for stock exhaust:

idle CO
factory 0 Softronic 1.18

2500 rpm CO
factory 0.29 Softronic 2.05

HC ppm idle
factory 13 Softronic 26

HC ppm 2500 rpm
factory 20 Softronic 30

This failed me in Ontario...

Your car by the chart in the .pdf you posted was within the HC levels and passed... The Co was out not by 800% yet less than 2 to 3. The test on you car shows the max ranges as required on the sheet.

The correction was simply installing the stock file in which you did or get an update for the CO in which you didn't want. Tuned files always tend to run more fuel with timing and boost in a turbos case. Should it not get more fuel with more boost and timing we all know what can happen. The CO can be lowered at idle and partial throttle. Basically as the HC is increased the CO can be lowered.

Best,
Scott
 

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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Softronic
Your car by the chart in the .pdf you posted was within the HC levels and passed... The Co was out not by 800% yet less than 2 to 3. The test on you car shows the max ranges as required on the sheet.

The correction was simply installing the stock file in which you did or get an update for the CO in which you didn't want. Tuned files always tend to run more fuel with timing and boost in a turbos case. Should it not get more fuel with more boost and timing we all know what can happen. The CO can be lowered at idle and partial throttle. Basically as the HC is increased the CO can be lowered.

Best,
Scott
Well, lies, damn lies and statistics, right?

2.05 CO over 0.29 factory is 607% increase, and 1.18 over 0 is infinitesimal increase percentage-wise.
You're right though that measured CO is only about 200% more than allowed by legislation.
 
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Originally Posted by Softronic
Your car by the chart in the .pdf you posted was within the HC levels and passed... The Co was out not by 800% yet less than 2 to 3. The test on you car shows the max ranges as required on the sheet.

The correction was simply installing the stock file in which you did or get an update for the CO in which you didn't want. Tuned files always tend to run more fuel with timing and boost in a turbos case. Should it not get more fuel with more boost and timing we all know what can happen. The CO can be lowered at idle and partial throttle. Basically as the HC is increased the CO can be lowered.

Best,
Scott
Oh, and I knew that I could flash back to factory and pass emission test, but I had problem with uploader as described elsewhere
 
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New flashing system by Vivid Racing located at www.vrtuned.com.

Vivid Racing is not the developer nor has anything to do with Softronic's system and is not a dealer anymore.
 

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