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...from the other ,Emre has some pretty results and is not US tuner
but if you are happy with YOUR performance that is good,enjoy your car
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Sure ESMOTOR is one of the best tuners with some really fast cars, but since i have dealed in the past with some euro tuners, they offer overpriced kits which are not as good and reliable as in US
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in both world is good tuners...so,you cant say Us or european is better..thats my opinion
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About reliable, do you think that in US they are allowed to put real stress on their engines on the street??? Fast cars till 150mph but few go there and even less go above that. Euro tuners have the autobahn in mind where there is no speed limit and you can drive at top gear and higher rpms. On engine stress, i compare 10min of autobahn above 150mph like a 30min of real abuse on a fast track. I know roads where you can even drive +1h above 150mph...
But this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean that one is best over the other. Different goals for different drive styles.
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Hello Tiago,
We started using water/meth after our government policy of removal of 98 and 100 octane european fuel here.
Highest octane we can get since 5 years is 97 oct (91 US equivalent)
I also tune the cars without it, but nobody wants to go slower
Also, "NONE" of the intercoolers in the market work with fenderwell intake system, so its a must if you don't utilize the stock airbox system.
Another important thing is the cooling ability of WMI in VTG powered cars.
It decreases the EGT dramatically which is the biggest problem with VTG turbochargers.
When you have lower octane you also get higher EGT because you run the engine with lower ignition timing. So WMI is a "win-win" situation, higher ignition timing, lower EGT, cooler intake temps = more power.
We also test our cars here on national F1 circuit and on highway till 350km/h top speeds because nobody cares about the speedlimits.
We started using water/meth after our government policy of removal of 98 and 100 octane european fuel here.
Highest octane we can get since 5 years is 97 oct (91 US equivalent)
I also tune the cars without it, but nobody wants to go slower
Also, "NONE" of the intercoolers in the market work with fenderwell intake system, so its a must if you don't utilize the stock airbox system.
Another important thing is the cooling ability of WMI in VTG powered cars.
It decreases the EGT dramatically which is the biggest problem with VTG turbochargers.
When you have lower octane you also get higher EGT because you run the engine with lower ignition timing. So WMI is a "win-win" situation, higher ignition timing, lower EGT, cooler intake temps = more power.
We also test our cars here on national F1 circuit and on highway till 350km/h top speeds because nobody cares about the speedlimits.
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From what i've seen, the bests euro tuners numbers seems to be underated compared to the bests US tuners. Also the US tuners are used to play with higher grade fuel (race gas, ethanol, methanol...) while euro tuners are only focused in pump gas (98ron). For example, you have US cars on stock vtg making 700hp with e85 fuel systems, exhaust, ic and tune. Euro tuners only offer that power level with engine built, turbos, exhaust, ic and tune. That is one of the reason that they seem overpriced, but in the end you have a car that you can use it like stock. Esmotor is also using WMI in their kits, so it is more comparable with US kits.
About reliable, do you think that in US they are allowed to put real stress on their engines on the street??? Fast cars till 150mph but few go there and even less go above that. Euro tuners have the autobahn in mind where there is no speed limit and you can drive at top gear and higher rpms. On engine stress, i compare 10min of autobahn above 150mph like a 30min of real abuse on a fast track. I know roads where you can even drive +1h above 150mph...
But this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean that one is best over the other. Different goals for different drive styles.
About reliable, do you think that in US they are allowed to put real stress on their engines on the street??? Fast cars till 150mph but few go there and even less go above that. Euro tuners have the autobahn in mind where there is no speed limit and you can drive at top gear and higher rpms. On engine stress, i compare 10min of autobahn above 150mph like a 30min of real abuse on a fast track. I know roads where you can even drive +1h above 150mph...
But this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean that one is best over the other. Different goals for different drive styles.
+1
This is what I tell people all the time.
In Europe we drive our cars much much harder.
Also I don't like the Idea of Meth for a street car as to me it's fake power and what happens if it fails.
I would rather rely on a proper set of intercoolers than cutting corners.
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From what i've seen, the bests euro tuners numbers seems to be underated compared to the bests US tuners. Also the US tuners are used to play with higher grade fuel (race gas, ethanol, methanol...) while euro tuners are only focused in pump gas (98ron). For example, you have US cars on stock vtg making 700hp with e85 fuel systems, exhaust, ic and tune. Euro tuners only offer that power level with engine built, turbos, exhaust, ic and tune. That is one of the reason that they seem overpriced, but in the end you have a car that you can use it like stock. Esmotor is also using WMI in their kits, so it is more comparable with US kits.
About reliable, do you think that in US they are allowed to put real stress on their engines on the street??? Fast cars till 150mph but few go there and even less go above that. Euro tuners have the autobahn in mind where there is no speed limit and you can drive at top gear and higher rpms. On engine stress, i compare 10min of autobahn above 150mph like a 30min of real abuse on a fast track. I know roads where you can even drive +1h above 150mph...
But this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean that one is best over the other. Different goals for different drive styles.
About reliable, do you think that in US they are allowed to put real stress on their engines on the street??? Fast cars till 150mph but few go there and even less go above that. Euro tuners have the autobahn in mind where there is no speed limit and you can drive at top gear and higher rpms. On engine stress, i compare 10min of autobahn above 150mph like a 30min of real abuse on a fast track. I know roads where you can even drive +1h above 150mph...
But this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean that one is best over the other. Different goals for different drive styles.
i agree +10000000000