997 Turbo / GT2 2006–2012 Turbo discussion on the 997 model Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: HBI Auto

Turbo emergency brake unreliable

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Aug 30, 2011 | 10:19 PM
  #1  
johnww's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 961
From: florida
Rep Power: 61
johnww is just really nicejohnww is just really nicejohnww is just really nicejohnww is just really nice
Turbo emergency brake unreliable

On reading manual a bit more carefully, it states "don't use emergency brake to hold car." However with hot weather, with air on, pulled in a parking lot to make a cell call and pulled emergency brake with manual trans in neutral. After idling there for ~20 minutes (no car movement with flat concrete), pulled the key and went into a store. Back out in 15 minutes and vehicle had rolled into stone wall about 3 ft away. Apparently, while things were hot, emer-brake held, but on cooling, this minor temp chg caused this ever-so-slight brake slippage. The incline was less than 1%, the car movement might have started with mild burst of wind. Cost $800 with a three days w/o car. Porsche tech says my brake was normal, but emergency brakes on these turbos are garbage and should never be relied on for holding the vehicle. Seems like for +$130K, one could get a more reliable emer-brake, but i guess with disc brakes, a weak emer-brake is an issue. Anyway, this crap was news to me, but a lesson learned.
I have heard often that it is not good practice with manuals to leave them in first or reverse in case with parallel parking they get tapped & moved...could be an expensive repair. However, I think with these cars its best to put them in gear and maybe forget parallel parking.
 
Old Aug 30, 2011 | 10:52 PM
  #2  
kw911TT's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 604
From: SoCal
Rep Power: 49
kw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud ofkw911TT has much to be proud of
Buddy, I almost pull an emergency brake on my eye lids while reading your all bold types

Thanks for sharing, I didn't know our hand brake is that bad
 
Old Aug 30, 2011 | 10:57 PM
  #3  
Peter1.8t's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 274
From: Washington
Rep Power: 38
Peter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud ofPeter1.8t has much to be proud of
So park the car in gear, problem solved. No need to thank me.
 
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 07:40 AM
  #4  
jhbrennan's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,260
From: Austin
Rep Power: 770
jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by Peter1.8t
So park the car in gear, problem solved. No need to thank me.
+1 - this was taught in driver's training 50 years ago. Here's what the owner's manual has to say:

f
Pull the lever all the way up (arrow).
With the ignition on, the parking brake warning
lights in the instrument panel and on-board
computer will come on if the lever is even
slightly raised. A firm pull upward is required to
properly engage the parking brake.
If the brake is not fully set, the vehicle may roll
without control.

f
Move the selector lever to “P” (PDK) or move
the gearshift lever to reverse or first gear
(Manual transmission).

f
Before exiting the vehicle, make sure that the
parking brake is fully set and the vehicle is not

moving at all.
 

Last edited by jhbrennan; Aug 31, 2011 at 07:50 AM.
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 08:56 AM
  #5  
speed21's Avatar
Banned
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,634
Rep Power: 249
speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !
+1 ^^^. Neutral is definitely no place for a parked manual. The handbrake is there for additional hold when you need....hills etc. Flat surface neutral will suffice.
 
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 09:39 AM
  #6  
jrohlf's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 67
From: Tahoe
Rep Power: 17
jrohlf is infamous around these parts
Are they really garbage? Any drifters or rally drivers care to comment?
 
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 10:06 AM
  #7  
djben's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 339
From: South Beach, Miami
Rep Power: 51
djben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond reputedjben has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by jrohlf
Are they really garbage? Any drifters or rally drivers care to comment?
I'd be willing to bet a drifter or rally driver puts aftermarket e-brake kits on their cars or something, relying on the stock setup probably doesn't cut it.

I've found my own e-brake doesn't really do much until it is pulled almost till it's last 'click'.

I don't know about the Porsche e-brake, but on BMWs they need to be adjusted and tightened periodically. Had to do it on my M3. Haven't bothered with the Porsche yet.
 
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 10:42 AM
  #8  
speed21's Avatar
Banned
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,634
Rep Power: 249
speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !speed21 Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by jrohlf
Are they really garbage? Any drifters or rally drivers care to comment?
There are far better cars to use for rally and drifting than a tt. The internal workings of a TT's handbrake mechanism show that they really are not designed to be yanked on hard while the car is going.....unless you want to break it or, unless its someone else's car you're driving that you don't like.
 
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 10:52 AM
  #9  
Guy's Avatar
Guy
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 427
From: England
Rep Power: 59
Guy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant futureGuy has a brilliant future
Handbrakes on rally cars are almost always replaced with hydraulic ones, since repeated hard pulls on a normal one stretches the cable. Also you would need to remove the lock-button feature.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
eclip5e
Automobiles For Sale
6
Jul 29, 2019 11:13 AM
AJUSA.com
997 Vendor Classifieds
4
Oct 8, 2015 05:50 PM
rnl
991
4
Aug 26, 2015 02:36 PM
ECS Tuning - VW
VW Vendor Classifieds
0
Aug 20, 2015 03:07 PM
Vrseis
Automobiles For Sale
0
Aug 20, 2015 07:41 AM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:27 AM.