How much of a hit will 997tt's have when the 991tt comes out
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Pretty broad statement. First generalizing, this is '10-13's. Checking this very frequently, I saw one '10 drop below $100k for a week. Virtually every other car is listed for over $110, generally about $115. Of course they are dropping, cars don't appreciate. Anyway, a used '13 is still $140+.
As mentioned before, the .1 turbos are in a really different market than a new 991TT.
As mentioned before, the .1 turbos are in a really different market than a new 991TT.
My guess is with a little negotiating you could easily get any of these cars for under $100K.
Here are a few I found in the last 5 min.....
2010 Turbo Cab - $104K asking price
http://www.brumos.com/details/used-2...098/506384601/
2010 Turbo - $151K MSRP - $104K asking price
http://www.everycarlisted.com/il/bar...AD2A90AS766334
2010 Turbo - at auction $94K - Buy Now price
Rough condition but under 5K miles
2010 Turbo - one owner - $105K asking
http://tinyurl.com/c8bf9eu
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There is definitely an undeniable rawness about the power delivery of the mezger motor. Having driven both the .1tt and .2tt back to back i felt the torque of the .1 motor stuck out more than the smoothness of the .2tt motor. They certainly do feel different. With the pdk the .2tt is a rocket, but it feels watered down and not as torquey,..at least this is what i felt walking away from driving both. The .1 with a manual as far as driving experience is concerned is my preference. Perhaps others can chime in with their own thoughts....
Cavaet...i bought Bob Wu's ruf rturbo (which is an awesome package) and now i'm looking at a gt3 or gt2 for my next pcar purchase so that should give some indication as to where my taste are headed in terms of what i want to get out of owning a pcar.
Cavaet...i bought Bob Wu's ruf rturbo (which is an awesome package) and now i'm looking at a gt3 or gt2 for my next pcar purchase so that should give some indication as to where my taste are headed in terms of what i want to get out of owning a pcar.
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Most Turbos are sold with PDK, for example, because most drivers are too lazy.
Average Turbo driver age in US is 53 y.o. Porsche is targeting 45 y.o. males with Turbo. These are two statistics I read somewhere.
These guys want to have a luxury car but also to relax behind the wheel in a nice interior. All that is conducive to 997 prices falling when 991T is out. It will not cost 200 grand.
I am more interested in prices of 997 GT2s, will they be falling when 991T is out? I would like to change from my 997TT to GT2.
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I absolutely agree.
Most Turbos are sold with PDK, for example, because most drivers are too lazy.
Average Turbo driver age in US is 53 y.o. Porsche is targeting 45 y.o. males with Turbo. These are two statistics I read somewhere.
These guys want to have a luxury car but also to relax behind the wheel in a nice interior. All that is conducive to 997 prices falling when 991T is out. It will not cost 200 grand.
I am more interested in prices of 997 GT2s, will they be falling when 991T is out? I would like to change from my 997TT to GT2.
Most Turbos are sold with PDK, for example, because most drivers are too lazy.
Average Turbo driver age in US is 53 y.o. Porsche is targeting 45 y.o. males with Turbo. These are two statistics I read somewhere.
These guys want to have a luxury car but also to relax behind the wheel in a nice interior. All that is conducive to 997 prices falling when 991T is out. It will not cost 200 grand.
I am more interested in prices of 997 GT2s, will they be falling when 991T is out? I would like to change from my 997TT to GT2.
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Yes, I am talking about 2010 997.2 TT's - I've been following prices for many months.
My guess is with a little negotiating you could easily get any of these cars for under $100K.
Here are a few I found in the last 5 min.....
2010 Turbo Cab - $104K asking price
http://www.brumos.com/details/used-2...098/506384601/
2010 Turbo - $151K MSRP - $104K asking price
http://www.everycarlisted.com/il/bar...AD2A90AS766334
2010 Turbo - at auction $94K - Buy Now price
Rough condition but under 5K miles
2010 Turbo - one owner - $105K asking
http://tinyurl.com/c8bf9eu
My guess is with a little negotiating you could easily get any of these cars for under $100K.
Here are a few I found in the last 5 min.....
2010 Turbo Cab - $104K asking price
http://www.brumos.com/details/used-2...098/506384601/
2010 Turbo - $151K MSRP - $104K asking price
http://www.everycarlisted.com/il/bar...AD2A90AS766334
2010 Turbo - at auction $94K - Buy Now price
Rough condition but under 5K miles
2010 Turbo - one owner - $105K asking
http://tinyurl.com/c8bf9eu
Good research. BUT - 24k miles, 37k miles! Yeah, no big surprise! The last car, higher mileage and a clean, but funky repair history on the carfax. That's like saying I can find 997.1 turbos for $60k. Sure I can find a few examples with 70k miles! There are plenty of high mileage examples around. This car is the rich guy's daily driver and many people simply drive them as much as they want. Good examples with reasonable mileage are barely at $110k.
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It is silly to think that the prior model will do better when the new model is out, but older models are simply impacted less due to the greater price differential. Unless there is a radical restyling that really leaves the old model looking dated. In the case of the 911, the new models look dated, so it's not an issue!
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This is my thought as well.
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My point was that the prices are dropping below 100K and will continue to go down below that in the next 6 months and put pressure on the 997.1 TT prices.
Do you really think the prices on the 997.2 TT will hold firm knowing:
- we are heading into the middle of winter
- there is a new TT on the horizon, maybe as soon as next year
- we know what the new body and interior will look like
- the 991 C2S version has received rave reviews
- the new 991 is almost as fast and handles better and has a nicer interior
- you can buy a very low mileage 991 C2S for what a used 997.2 TT cost
- the new 991 PDK is much better than the one in the 997.2 turbo
- people looking to spend $100K are surely cross shopping the 991 (I know I am) There is no GT1 engine so the 997.2 only has the wide body and PDK to distinguish itself.
As for my quick sample -
A 2010 turbo, still under warranty that was driven 8K miles per year is not acceptable I guess?
Someone could have bought a very clean, one owner 2010 PDK turbo last year (9/2011) from my local dealer for $110K. 14K miles and it was CPO. It sat on the lot for months... and damn it was fast.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...pdk-turbo.html
Bottom line - if you can't find a clean 2010 turbo for under $100K, look harder or wait a couple of months.
Do you really think the prices on the 997.2 TT will hold firm knowing:
- we are heading into the middle of winter
- there is a new TT on the horizon, maybe as soon as next year
- we know what the new body and interior will look like
- the 991 C2S version has received rave reviews
- the new 991 is almost as fast and handles better and has a nicer interior
- you can buy a very low mileage 991 C2S for what a used 997.2 TT cost
- the new 991 PDK is much better than the one in the 997.2 turbo
- people looking to spend $100K are surely cross shopping the 991 (I know I am) There is no GT1 engine so the 997.2 only has the wide body and PDK to distinguish itself.
As for my quick sample -
A 2010 turbo, still under warranty that was driven 8K miles per year is not acceptable I guess?
Someone could have bought a very clean, one owner 2010 PDK turbo last year (9/2011) from my local dealer for $110K. 14K miles and it was CPO. It sat on the lot for months... and damn it was fast.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...pdk-turbo.html
Bottom line - if you can't find a clean 2010 turbo for under $100K, look harder or wait a couple of months.
Good research. BUT - 24k miles, 37k miles! Yeah, no big surprise! The last car, higher mileage and a clean, but funky repair history on the carfax. That's like saying I can find 997.1 turbos for $60k. Sure I can find a few examples with 70k miles! There are plenty of high mileage examples around. This car is the rich guy's daily driver and many people simply drive them as much as they want. Good examples with reasonable mileage are barely at $110k.
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sort of off topic, I have a 996tt right now and love it so much, even after all this time I still just go and stare at it for no reason.
I really want to move to a 996 GT2 but it's hard to justify when you can get a 997.1tt for same or less money. I feel like the 997.1tt will keep dropping but the 996 gt2s aren't going to go any lower. With that in mind should I just go for a 997.1tt or will I regret not getting a the gt2?
I really want to move to a 996 GT2 but it's hard to justify when you can get a 997.1tt for same or less money. I feel like the 997.1tt will keep dropping but the 996 gt2s aren't going to go any lower. With that in mind should I just go for a 997.1tt or will I regret not getting a the gt2?
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How much will it cost then? A Turbo S can easily sticker at $175k with options. There is no doubt a 991 Turbo with options will hit a figure with a 2 handle. Of course it could be optioned cheaper, though.
It is silly to think that the prior model will do better when the new model is out, but older models are simply impacted less due to the greater price differential. Unless there is a radical restyling that really leaves the old model looking dated. In the case of the 911, the new models look dated, so it's not an issue!
It is silly to think that the prior model will do better when the new model is out, but older models are simply impacted less due to the greater price differential. Unless there is a radical restyling that really leaves the old model looking dated. In the case of the 911, the new models look dated, so it's not an issue!
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True, true, I just get excited. I was watching a beautiful meteor '10 TT that was listed at $114 and they moved to $104 and it was gone immediately. That car had low miles. I think that seems to be the price point. For now, I'm anxious to get into an '08 or '09 - hopefully in a few years the '10's will be at the right price point for me!
I find that Porsche prices are very mileage sensitive. The difference between 5k and 20k on an '09 is about $15k. I agree, 8k miles a year is not a lot, but P car prices are just very sensitive to mileage. An '08 is 4 years old - 20k miles is just about right, at least some use and the car has not sat around much. Anyway, a '10 is an incredible car with PDK it hits the incredible 0-60 in 3 second mark. It reaches a bit of a milestone in performance.
I find that Porsche prices are very mileage sensitive. The difference between 5k and 20k on an '09 is about $15k. I agree, 8k miles a year is not a lot, but P car prices are just very sensitive to mileage. An '08 is 4 years old - 20k miles is just about right, at least some use and the car has not sat around much. Anyway, a '10 is an incredible car with PDK it hits the incredible 0-60 in 3 second mark. It reaches a bit of a milestone in performance.
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sort of off topic, I have a 996tt right now and love it so much, even after all this time I still just go and stare at it for no reason.
I really want to move to a 996 GT2 but it's hard to justify when you can get a 997.1tt for same or less money. I feel like the 997.1tt will keep dropping but the 996 gt2s aren't going to go any lower. With that in mind should I just go for a 997.1tt or will I regret not getting a the gt2?
I really want to move to a 996 GT2 but it's hard to justify when you can get a 997.1tt for same or less money. I feel like the 997.1tt will keep dropping but the 996 gt2s aren't going to go any lower. With that in mind should I just go for a 997.1tt or will I regret not getting a the gt2?
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Totally agree with you on the mileage thing and the speed of the PDK turbo - WOW!
I just searched PCNA and found three turbos under $110K and yes they all have 20-24K miles (black, grey and white). The price drops dramatically when the miles go over 10K it seems but hey that makes them a better bargain for us!
If you like a red interior there's a CPO Meteor Grey PDK with 13K miles listed for $107K.
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/usa/...&pnr_=1&lnr_=1
I just searched PCNA and found three turbos under $110K and yes they all have 20-24K miles (black, grey and white). The price drops dramatically when the miles go over 10K it seems but hey that makes them a better bargain for us!
If you like a red interior there's a CPO Meteor Grey PDK with 13K miles listed for $107K.
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/usa/...&pnr_=1&lnr_=1
True, true, I just get excited. I was watching a beautiful meteor '10 TT that was listed at $114 and they moved to $104 and it was gone immediately. That car had low miles. I think that seems to be the price point. For now, I'm anxious to get into an '08 or '09 - hopefully in a few years the '10's will be at the right price point for me!
I find that Porsche prices are very mileage sensitive. The difference between 5k and 20k on an '09 is about $15k. I agree, 8k miles a year is not a lot, but P car prices are just very sensitive to mileage. An '08 is 4 years old - 20k miles is just about right, at least some use and the car has not sat around much. Anyway, a '10 is an incredible car with PDK it hits the incredible 0-60 in 3 second mark. It reaches a bit of a milestone in performance.
I find that Porsche prices are very mileage sensitive. The difference between 5k and 20k on an '09 is about $15k. I agree, 8k miles a year is not a lot, but P car prices are just very sensitive to mileage. An '08 is 4 years old - 20k miles is just about right, at least some use and the car has not sat around much. Anyway, a '10 is an incredible car with PDK it hits the incredible 0-60 in 3 second mark. It reaches a bit of a milestone in performance.
