GT-R owner has 997 TT Questions
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GT-R owner has 997 TT Questions
Can some of you answer these questions for me.
Looking for a 997 TT Automatic for my wife. Either an 07 or 08.
1 Were the 07's more unreliable than the 08's? If so in what way?
2 What is your opinion on what the depreciation rate on an 07/08 will be in the next two years.
3 What part of the car is the weekeset and most prone to breakage at stock or with just a tune.
4 How much HP do the autos make stock to the wheels?
5 How much HP and TQ can be gained to the wheels by just a tune?
I have owned my GT-R for three years and I think I could still break even if I choose to sell it today. The P cars really take a hit as compared to the GT-R.
She loves the car but I am mostly concerned about the resale value.
Looking for a 997 TT Automatic for my wife. Either an 07 or 08.
1 Were the 07's more unreliable than the 08's? If so in what way?
2 What is your opinion on what the depreciation rate on an 07/08 will be in the next two years.
3 What part of the car is the weekeset and most prone to breakage at stock or with just a tune.
4 How much HP do the autos make stock to the wheels?
5 How much HP and TQ can be gained to the wheels by just a tune?
I have owned my GT-R for three years and I think I could still break even if I choose to sell it today. The P cars really take a hit as compared to the GT-R.
She loves the car but I am mostly concerned about the resale value.
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Presonally just purchase 997tt besides the GTR. My concern is you need to pay to play, if u want to save move stay with the R; I am pretty sure if you sell the R the end of this year you might still let it go for the same price today 
But if you want sth else the porsche still keep its value better than other exotics. just my thoughts
But if you want sth else the porsche still keep its value better than other exotics. just my thoughts
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Can some of you answer these questions for me.
Looking for a 997 TT Automatic for my wife. Either an 07 or 08.
1 Were the 07's more unreliable than the 08's? If so in what way?
My research shows there is no difference, both years are very reliable.
2 What is your opinion on what the depreciation rate on an 07/08 will be in the next two years.
Linear year-by-year curve suggests slower than nornal depreciation until the new turbo is available later this year (?). But, future owners may still want the more tunable Mezger GT-1 engine in the 07-09's which could help slow the depreciation rate.
3 What part of the car is the weekeset and most prone to breakage at stock or with just a tune.
Pretty much bullet proof.
4 How much HP do the autos make stock to the wheels?
Will someone else answer this?
5 How much HP and TQ can be gained to the wheels by just a tune?
According to Softronic their tune increases your HP from 480 to 560 without an exhaust change, 580 with a free-flow exhaust. Can't recall the TQ claims, check their website.
I have owned my GT-R for three years and I think I could still break even if I choose to sell it today. The P cars really take a hit as compared to the GT-R.
The GT-R Black Edition according to many is a future collectible. I've raced GT-R's in my former 08 CLK63 AMG Black Series, it wasn't ugly but it wasn't pretty too!
She loves the car but I am mostly concerned about the resale value.
Looking for a 997 TT Automatic for my wife. Either an 07 or 08.
1 Were the 07's more unreliable than the 08's? If so in what way?
My research shows there is no difference, both years are very reliable.
2 What is your opinion on what the depreciation rate on an 07/08 will be in the next two years.
Linear year-by-year curve suggests slower than nornal depreciation until the new turbo is available later this year (?). But, future owners may still want the more tunable Mezger GT-1 engine in the 07-09's which could help slow the depreciation rate.
3 What part of the car is the weekeset and most prone to breakage at stock or with just a tune.
Pretty much bullet proof.
4 How much HP do the autos make stock to the wheels?
Will someone else answer this?
5 How much HP and TQ can be gained to the wheels by just a tune?
According to Softronic their tune increases your HP from 480 to 560 without an exhaust change, 580 with a free-flow exhaust. Can't recall the TQ claims, check their website.
I have owned my GT-R for three years and I think I could still break even if I choose to sell it today. The P cars really take a hit as compared to the GT-R.
The GT-R Black Edition according to many is a future collectible. I've raced GT-R's in my former 08 CLK63 AMG Black Series, it wasn't ugly but it wasn't pretty too!
She loves the car but I am mostly concerned about the resale value.
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Thanks for the responses 4ocious.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the new 991 TT impacting the resale of the 997.1's.... It might be good for us to wait another year or so.
My GT-R runs 10.6 @ 130mph with just a midpipe and tune. It's a very aggressive tune and my injectors are maxed out.
I went from 120mph stock 1/4 mile trap speeds to 129-130 with just $1500.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the new 991 TT impacting the resale of the 997.1's.... It might be good for us to wait another year or so.
My GT-R runs 10.6 @ 130mph with just a midpipe and tune. It's a very aggressive tune and my injectors are maxed out.
I went from 120mph stock 1/4 mile trap speeds to 129-130 with just $1500.
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Thanks for the responses 4ocious.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the new 991 TT impacting the resale of the 997.1's.... It might be good for us to wait another year or so.
My GT-R runs 10.6 @ 130mph with just a midpipe and tune. It's a very aggressive tune and my injectors are maxed out.
I went from 120mph stock 1/4 mile trap speeds to 129-130 with just $1500.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the new 991 TT impacting the resale of the 997.1's.... It might be good for us to wait another year or so.
My GT-R runs 10.6 @ 130mph with just a midpipe and tune. It's a very aggressive tune and my injectors are maxed out.
I went from 120mph stock 1/4 mile trap speeds to 129-130 with just $1500.
Very impressive numbers! I'm sure my (for now) stock TT wouldn't stand a chance against your GT-R. But, from what I've read and heard I'll be a lot more comfortable crossing the finish line lol!
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I'm seeing 2007 TT's (manual) with 40K+ miles going for low 60's at auction. I also think the introduction of the 991 TT will impact the value. Good news is that when you start looking I think you'll see the Tiptronics are lower priced than the manuals.
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Either way, it is fun to go fast.
OP - my wife starts me down that exact path from time to time... She eventually drives one, then prefers the GT-R all over again. I hope your wife enjoys her car.
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IMHO, I see the M97 Mezger GT1 race bred dry sump engine 997.1's only going up in value in a couple years compared to a consumer grade 9A1 DFI engines in the 997.2 and 991.
However since your looking for chicktronic I don't think this matters to you much.
Even the 991RSR is using the mezger engine, performance gains will most likely through the chassis.
However since your looking for chicktronic I don't think this matters to you much.
Even the 991RSR is using the mezger engine, performance gains will most likely through the chassis.
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I think this is a common view but I don't see how cars in the $70K-$80K range will experience a meaningful impact (beyond normal annual depreciation) with the introduction of a new model in the $150K-$200K range. IMO they are two very different price points and serve different markets. It comes down to supply and demand and I do not foresee a significant increase in supply of quality 07-08 Turbos with the introduction of the 991 TTT
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The new 991 TT will push down the price of the used 997.2 TT and therefore the 997.1 TT. I'm seeing a fair amount of 2010 PDK 997.2 Turbos for just over $100K and some for even less. When a three year newer turbo (2010) with PDK is selling for mid 90's it gets harder to justify an older (even Mezger) 997.1 turbo for $75-85K.
My general guess of current pricing (mileage makes a huge difference)
2007-2008 (997.1 TT) -- $60-75K
2009 (997.1 TT) -- $77-90K
2010 (997.2 TT) -- $95-105K
2011-2013 (997.2 TT) -- $115-150K
My general guess of current pricing (mileage makes a huge difference)
2007-2008 (997.1 TT) -- $60-75K
2009 (997.1 TT) -- $77-90K
2010 (997.2 TT) -- $95-105K
2011-2013 (997.2 TT) -- $115-150K
I think this is a common view but I don't see how cars in the $70K-$80K range will experience a meaningful impact (beyond normal annual depreciation) with the introduction of a new model in the $150K-$200K range. IMO they are two very different price points and serve different markets. It comes down to supply and demand and I do not foresee a significant increase in supply of quality 07-08 Turbos with the introduction of the 991 TTT
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The new 991 TT will push down the price of the used 997.2 TT and therefore the 997.1 TT. I'm seeing a fair amount of 2010 PDK 997.2 Turbos for just over $100K and some for even less. When a three year newer turbo (2010) with PDK is selling for mid 90's it gets harder to justify an older (even Mezger) 997.1 turbo for $75-85K.
My general guess of current pricing (mileage makes a huge difference)
2007-2008 (997.1 TT) -- $60-75K
2009 (997.1 TT) -- $77-90K
2010 (997.2 TT) -- $95-105K
2011-2013 (997.2 TT) -- $115-150K
My general guess of current pricing (mileage makes a huge difference)
2007-2008 (997.1 TT) -- $60-75K
2009 (997.1 TT) -- $77-90K
2010 (997.2 TT) -- $95-105K
2011-2013 (997.2 TT) -- $115-150K
going back to the price point argument, If the 07-08 were normally going to depreciate by ~$2K-4K YoY, they aren't going to see a $10K drop in one year because of the 991 Turbo. The supply of low to mid mileage, excellent condition 07-08s is only going to steadily decline over time while the demand will remain steady IMO, therefore slowing depreciation on quality vehicles and possibly establishing a floor. (we're all forecasting experts on the internet right?
)Finally, even with 2011-2013 TTs getting cheaper because of the 991 turbo, they are still out of reach price wise for folks shopping for early 997.1s
This is just my personal view but, to the OP if you find one your wife loves in great condition jump on it, they aren't making any more of them at this price point
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Keep searching and you'll find lots of information about most questions.
For what it's worth the tip will also run in the 10's with a tune and exhaust.
Expect to pay more for a low mileage sample but it'll be worth it.
Good luck in your search, such fun cars to drive, own, etc.
For what it's worth the tip will also run in the 10's with a tune and exhaust.
Expect to pay more for a low mileage sample but it'll be worth it.
Good luck in your search, such fun cars to drive, own, etc.